I am really, really leaking very bad early game.

[Karak567]

I play sets of 8 and I notice I am knocked out in 3 even 4 before I even get to the bubble by really aggressive pre-bubble play. Do I need to start folding to the bubble or what? heh I am starting to think that is +ev

here is an example of such a hand: I knew I should have folded to his min-raise but I couldn't bring myself to do it. It was a spite all in, nothing pisses me off more than a min raise.

***** Hand History for Game 2274915550 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:13470310 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Tuesday, June 28, 00:15:08 EDT 2005
Table Table 12182 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: lelaise ( $800 )
Seat 2: DANNYBOYOH ( $1705 )
Seat 3: sepher28 ( $785 )
Seat 4: greyvictory ( $800 )
Seat 5: TJMcL111 ( $800 )
Seat 6: wcbd4u ( $800 )
Seat 8: jonesfan22 ( $800 )
Seat 9: NikkoHan ( $710 )
Seat 10: BlackEvo8 ( $800 )
Trny:13470310 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sepher28 [ Kh Jh ]
TJMcL111 folds.
wcbd4u folds.
jonesfan22 folds.
NikkoHan: wow a5
NikkoHan folds.
BlackEvo8 folds.
lelaise folds.
>You have options at Table 11827 Table!.
DANNYBOYOH calls [15].
sepher28 calls [5].
greyvictory checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Qc, 4c ]
DANNYBOYOH: I DIDNT THINK HE WILL CALL
sepher28 bets [45].
greyvictory calls [45].
DANNYBOYOH calls [45].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9s ]
NikkoHan: i folded ak
>You have options at Table 11827 Table!.
sepher28 bets [175].
greyvictory folds.
DANNYBOYOH raises [350].
sepher28 is all-In [550]
DANNYBOYOH calls [375].
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
DANNYBOYOH shows [ Th, Kd ] a straight, nine to king.
sepher28 shows [ Kh, Jh ] a pair of jacks.
DANNYBOYOH wins 1630 chips from the main pot with a straight, nine to king.
sepher28 finished in ninth place.
>You have options at Table 11827 Table!.
sepher28 has left the table.
The Small Blind left the table. The Dealer button remains in place.

[chisness]

i might be too weak early but i'd check fold this every time

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
spite all in

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be a problem, yeah.

After he calls the flop, what do you put him on and do you think you have the best hand often enough to bet 1/4 of your stack on it?

[Karak567]

On the turn his min-raise screamed KT.

Did I have the discipline to lay it down?

Of course not.

I don't know how I am a winning player.

[drapes]

You must play like a cold, unfeeling machine.

[adanthar]

Nah, forget the minraise. It's the turn bet that got you in trouble - easy check here and probably a fold to anything substantial with 2 people calling.

[Karak567]

FPS strikes again

***** Hand History for Game 2274971503 *****
NL Hold'em $30 Buy-in + $3 Entry Fee Trny:13470258 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Tuesday, June 28, 00:24:37 EDT 2005
Table Table 12062 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: DoubleEight ( $1570 )
Seat 2: markymark66 ( $765 )
Seat 3: hankjr82 ( $620 )
Seat 4: tmsweat2 ( $740 )
Seat 5: w_rick ( $790 )
Seat 6: jdguerra ( $310 )
Seat 7: Dr_Gordon ( $775 )
Seat 8: dilvish ( $710 )
Seat 9: Hero ( $755 )
Seat 10: Itchy__ ( $965 )
Trny:13470258 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 8h 8c ]
>You have options at Table 15076 Table!.
DoubleEight folds.
markymark66 folds.
hankjr82 folds.
tmsweat2 folds.
w_rick folds.
jdguerra folds.
Dr_Gordon folds.
dilvish folds.
Hero calls [15].
Itchy__ checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5s, 9c, Th ]
Hero bets [60].
Itchy__ calls [60].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
Hero bets [90].
Itchy__ calls [90].
** Dealing River ** [ As ]
Hero bets [180].
Itchy__ calls [180].
Hero shows [ 8h, 8c ] a pair of eights.
Itchy__ shows [ 5c, 9d ] two pairs, nines and fives.
Itchy__ wins 720 chips from the main pot with two pairs, nines and fives.

[the_joker]

I wouldn't fold into the bubble, but I wouldn't risk a bunch of chips early on with middle pair.

[chisness]

check folding uncertain situations = more bubbles!

[adanthar]

OK, every time you open complete 88 in the SB, a small child starves to death in Africa so think of the children

[raptor517]

wow what are you doing? leading out into 2 other players for a pot sized bet, getting action, and continuing on the turn, when you have second pair?? who cares that he sucked out. thats not the point. ugh. im ALL for making plays, but oop agianst 2 other players with second pair.. not a good situation. holla

[Karak567]

[ QUOTE ]
wow what are you doing? leading out into 2 other players for a pot sized bet, getting action, and continuing on the turn, when you have second pair?? who cares that he sucked out. thats not the point. ugh. im ALL for making plays, but oop agianst 2 other players with second pair.. not a good situation. holla

[/ QUOTE ]

You know what?

I misread the board.

I didn't even realize I had second pair.

I thought I had top pair.

Wow.

[eastbay]

What the hell was that crap? That was terrible.

eastbay

[Karak567]

[ QUOTE ]
What the hell was that crap? That was terrible.

eastbay

[/ QUOTE ]

I have no idea.

Like I said I DID misread the board.

I haven't slept in a while and I'm sick.

Maybe all of this is -EV.

I'm not this bad. I can't be. My ROI is too high over too large of a sample size.

[eastbay]

[ QUOTE ]

Like I said I DID misread the board.


[/ QUOTE ]

Fair enough.

eastbay

[AA suited]

"Dealt to sepher28 [ Kh Jh ]
TJMcL111 folds.
wcbd4u folds.
jonesfan22 folds.
NikkoHan: wow a5
NikkoHan folds.
BlackEvo8 folds.
lelaise folds.
>You have options at Table 11827 Table!.
DANNYBOYOH calls [15].
sepher28 calls [5].
greyvictory checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, Qc, 4c ]
DANNYBOYOH: I DIDNT THINK HE WILL CALL
sepher28 bets [45].
greyvictory calls [45].
DANNYBOYOH calls [45]."

Why were you betting out with middle pair vs 2 opponents out of position at level1?

edit:
"Like I said I DID misread the board."

ok, never mind /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[AA suited]

"I'm not this bad. I can't be. My ROI is too high over too large of a sample size. "

Review your hand histories and compare that to what you are doing now.

That's what i did when i had a losing streak. (took 649 SnG's to breakeven.)

[Unarmed]

[ QUOTE ]

I play sets of 8


[/ QUOTE ]

What are your goals?
Do you want to make $$ now or actually learn to play poker?
If its the latter I suggest you drop to two tables and literally observe every single hand. If you're still bored read everything ever posted by zee, flynn, ML4L, limon, et etc in high stakes NL.

I'm serious. I see a disturbing pattern where people are running before they learn to walk re: multitabling. I'm quite sure that even on a per hour basis, there is a negative correlation between the number of tables you play and the rate at which your game improves. The effect is immaterial when jumping from one to two, and not huge from two to three, but I really don't think your game can grow if you're ABCing 8 tables.

YMMV.

[zambonidrivr]

fold preflop. hoh vol 1 is a good book.

[wulfheir]

[ QUOTE ]
OK, every time you open complete 88 in the SB, a small child starves to death in Africa so think of the children

[/ QUOTE ]
Do you fold this, or raise?

[Unarmed]

No, he'd raise. I just limp because I'm afraid of some d*ck playing back at me with a worse hand, and I don't want to be tagged as a "blind stealer". I don't think it matters too much and I'm not willing to defend my position. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[adanthar]

That's one of those times you should feel free to show once he folds.

[wulfheir]

I didn't think you'd fold, then I read about children starving in africa, and thought I'd ask.

[jeffraider]

That 88 hand is the shits after the flop as well. This is an old leak of mine. I felt like if I bet once, I had to keep betting until I was raised or the other guy folded. Once he calls your flop bet (which I don't like) you need to take a deep breath and tell yourself, I can't beat [censored] now that he's called and it's time to put the brakes on. Also, the only reasonable draw he calls you with on the flop is J8 for the OESD and he got there on the turn! Even if your opponent is the worst player ever trying to give him bottom pair is terrible, and the worse you think he is the worse it is trying to push him out of the hand. I mean, you committed 330 chips postflop! That means you're gasping for air in Level 3 and done like dinner in Level 4.