curtains results for June 2005

[curtains]

I promised I'd update some people on my 8 tabling sit and go progress so here we go:

Back in early April I decided to seriously focus on sit and go's because I fantasized about the very low variance that could be acheived once mastering them. I was playing plenty of $215s back then but was only 4 tabling and honestly I didn't know exactly what I was doing, despite thinking I did. Probably if you read some of my posts from Feb/April there are plenty of them that I'd disagree with now.

Anyway while learning to 8 table I started from scratch by 8 tabling the $22s and moving up in slow increments. This was a great idea for me because I worked out a ton of holes in my first 300-400 tournaments and it was nice to do so at a lower buyin. Finally about 1.5-2 weeks ago I got to the point where I was 8 tabling $215s and then I started throwing in some $430s on Party. It actually feels like much much longer but I suppose it hasn't been. Anyway I try to play 32 sit and gos every day, which takes me about 4-5 hours since I play in sets instead of continuously. Every now and then something comes up and I have to skip a day or two, or somehow only get in 24, but in general I usually get in my 32 tournaments.

Anyway here are my results for June as Im done for the month since Im going to the WSOP tomorrow...below are my results throughout the whole project.


June 2005 (Rakeback NOT included)

Pokerstars $525+30 Turbo: 1 tourney (-$555, ROI 0, ITM O)

PartyPoker $400+30 Mini Step 5: 12 tourneys (+$2,940, ROI 56.98, ITM 58.33)

PartyPoker $200+15: 363 tourneys (+$20,955, ROI 26.85, ITM 39.12)

PartyPoker $100+9: 241 tourneys (+$4,940, ROI 18.81, ITM 37.76)

TOTAL FOR June 2005: 617 tourneys (+28,280, ROI 25.70, ITM 38.90)


total results thru april in next post...

[curtains]

Here are my overall results. I feel my results are not so great at the $22s+ $33s because the first 200-300 tourneys I had to patch up some major holes and simply wasn't that good yet. My ROI at that point was not so high, but I think I learned a few things and over the next 200-300 tourneys it went up very quickly:

Overall Results (Rakeback not Included)

Pokerstars $525+30 Turbo: 1 tourney (-$555, ROI 0, ITM O)

PartyPoker $400+30 Mini Step 5: 12 tourneys (+$2,940, ROI 56.98, ITM 58.33)

PartyPoker $200+15: 365 tourneys (+$21,525, ROI 27.43, ITM 39.18

PartyPoker $100+9: 642 tourneys (+$12,031, ROI 17.19, ITM 36.45)

PartyPoker $50+5: 350 tourneys (+$5,200, ROI 27.01, ITM 38.86)

PartyPoker $30+3: 579 tourneys (+$3,723, ROI 19.49, ITM 39.38)

PartyPoker $20+2: 264 tourneys (+$1,052, ROI 18.11, ITM 37.88)

Total Stats - 2213 tourneys (+$45,916, ROI 23.15, ITM 38.32)


Complete Finish Distrubition

1st - 14.91
2nd - 11.34
3rd - 11.97
4th - 12.16
5th - 15.18
6th - 13.33
7th - 9.44
8th - 6.64
9th - 3.43
10th - 1.58

[wuwei]

Very nice month, man. You run good and play good!

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I feel my results are not so great at the $22s+ $33s because the first 200-300 tourneys I had to patch up some major holes and simply wasn't that good yet.

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Would you care to elaborate on one or two of those leaks? I'm curious what you found.

[The Don]

Solid results... how do you think the new blind level will affect these?

[durron597]

Why so few Mini Step 5s? Do they not go off that often?

[Cunning Linguist]

I think I just heard treeofwisdom have an orgasm.

[Moonsugar]

Grats.

You make some really good posts too...

[johnnybeef]

what was your longest downswing in this period?

[curtains]

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what was your longest downswing in this period?

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I honestly had almost no signifigant downswing the entire time. I'm sure this was lucky, as I had one 8 day stretch back when I was playing the $109s in which I would win like 1500 one day and lose 1500 the next over and over again. Of course the losing days could have been consecutive instead of alternating.

[curtains]

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Solid results... how do you think the new blind level will affect these?

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My results since the new blind level have been absurd. My total ROI has gone up from 18 to 23 or whatever. I have won every single day since the new blind level and very signifigant amounts. I'm not sure if the change is related but I feel much more comfortable with it.

[curtains]

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Why so few Mini Step 5s? Do they not go off that often?

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Yes, I just started playing them and they go off so rarely that I can only get 1 of them in during my 8 tables and a good portion of the time I can't get any in so I just play 8 $215s.

[curtains]

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Very nice month, man. You run good and play good!

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I feel my results are not so great at the $22s+ $33s because the first 200-300 tourneys I had to patch up some major holes and simply wasn't that good yet.

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Would you care to elaborate on one or two of those leaks? I'm curious what you found.

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Major overaggression on the bubble or when there were 5-6 left....was a huge problem. Also just took a bit getting experience 8 tabling.

[raptor517]

I AM WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holla

[curtains]

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I AM WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holla

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I will crush you, although I have to be honest you eliminated me today on one of my anon accounts, pissed me off ...@#%@#^ coinflip.

[AA suited]

do you find any differences in play between the 109's and 215's?

if so, what?

and any suggestions/advice on going up to 8 tables?

[curtains]

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do you find any differences in play between the 109's and 215's?

if so, what?

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More regulars? I play with the same people a bit more often at the 215s. I dunno, honestly I have a hard time discerning the difference but I'm sure there is one. I'm also obviously getting lucky at the 215's so far, as 26 ROI is nowhere near attainable. However I wouldn't be surprised if my longterm ROI will be over 15%, and would be quite dissapointed and shocked if I can't get higher than 10%.

[adanthar]

All right, that's it. One more month and I get serious about this [censored]. ship it.

NH

[curtains]

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do you find any differences in play between the 109's and 215's?

if so, what?

and any suggestions/advice on going up to 8 tables?

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If you go up to 8 tables, start at a lower limit until you feel very comfortable or unless you feel ridiculously comfortable at the limit you currently play.

Honestly back in the day I probably could have jumped into 8 tabling $215s if I knew how to play sit and gos well. However I simply wasn't that good at sit and gos. Since then I've learned a ton about the math, using K+S charts, and eastbays program and have sharpened my instincts as well.

Main point is that I was already a pro poker player and pretty good, but I was playing $215 sit and gos without a great understanding of how to play them well. I can only imagine how many others there are doing the same, who think they are playing very well that actually aren't and don't realize how much better a lot of the other players are. Note that I was winning at the games back then, but probably somewhere in between 5-8 ROI....

[1C5]

1. Congrats , that is awesome.

2. I am just beginning to 8 table. I know you posted your formula before for how to move up but I didn't really follow exactly how you did it.

Can you give me an example starting at 8 tables of $11 with $500 in each account to start? Thanks.

[TStokes]

what are these K+S charts you speak of? I ran a search but could not find anything.

[Freudian]

Search for Karlson-Sklansky.

[TStokes]

only post with that in the last year was this one unless im totally messing up the search function

[curtains]

Amount of money in account is irrelevant.

Play 8 tables of $11. Play them all day or whatever. On the following day, see what your running total is from playing sit and gos. If you are up $200 (10x the buyin of the next level), then replcae one of your $11s with a $22. Keep doing this until youve won I guess $1600 (80x the buyin of the next level) at which point youll be playing 8 $22s and then you repeat for every level..

[curtains]

http://www.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

[TStokes]

thank you

[stupidsucker]

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ajor overaggression on the bubble or when there were 5-6 left....was a huge problem. Also just took a bit getting experience 8 tabling.

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This is me right now after having scooted back down to the 22s from the 55s...
aptor made fun of me and now I think I can playb a tighter game.

[Daliman]

Yay.


curtains' record vs Daliman this month. 4 215's played, zero cashes. -860

Daliman's record vs curtains this month: 4 215's played, 2 cashes, +640

Daliman's Results for JUne thus far in the $215's: $63.19 per tourney, 186 tourneys played.

curtains' e-penis: 13.9" by 6.1"
Daliman's e-penis: 16.4" by 7.5"

Send over Drapes.

[Ryendal]

Good job Curtains. I wasn't think you were running so well, the same for zeejustin and freemoney. Impressive !

[raptor517]

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Yay.


curtains' record vs Daliman this month. 4 215's played, zero cashes. -860

Daliman's record vs curtains this month: 4 215's played, 2 cashes, +640

Daliman's Results for JUne thus far in the $215's: $63.19 per tourney, 186 tourneys played.

curtains' e-penis: 13.9" by 6.1"
Daliman's e-penis: 16.4" by 7.5"

Send over Drapes.

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do u use yer bowling glove on yer gigantic e penis? holla

[Irieguy]

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Yay.


curtains' record vs Daliman this month. 4 215's played, zero cashes. -860

Daliman's record vs curtains this month: 4 215's played, 2 cashes, +640

Daliman's Results for JUne thus far in the $215's: $63.19 per tourney, 186 tourneys played.

curtains' e-penis: 13.9" by 6.1"
Daliman's e-penis: 16.4" by 7.5"

Send over Drapes.

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I knew Dali's penis would make an appearance sooner or later.

Irieguy

[curtains]

Completely ridiculous, Ive defeated you many times on some of my anon accounts!!!! I sucked out on you bigtime with AJo vs AQo the other day, see if you can find it /images/graemlins/smile.gif I was hoping I'd get cussed out but since my play was obviously correct I knew it wouldn't be coming.

Also I only know like 2-3 of your Sn's...note that I play only maybe 20-25% of my sit and go's on the accounts you know!!!!!! I'll tell you some anons on IM though.

[Luminous Mist]

You should get new, more stylish drape(s). I think you can finally afford them...

Luminous

[raptor517]

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You should get new, more stylish drape(s). I think you can finally afford them...

Luminous

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wtf_PWND. gg no re holla

[Scuba Chuck]

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http://www.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

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Is there something in this that I'm missing? What is "Max Stack for EV > 0"?

[Newt_Buggs]

very nice results curtains, thanks for sharing. What's next, 8 tabeling the $200s for a while?

[bugstud]

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http://www.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

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Is there something in this that I'm missing? What is "Max Stack for EV > 0"?

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stack size where you can push face up and have positive ev

[Luminous Mist]

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http://www.decf.berkeley.edu/~chubukov/rankings.html

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Is there something in this that I'm missing? What is "Max Stack for EV > 0"?

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stack size where you can push face up and have positive ev

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This assumes that everyone perfectly calculates their own ev given your face up cards.

So it has no direct breaing on actual poker. But can be a useful (although Eastbay may disagree based on past post(s) ) theoretical model and starting point for push/fold calculations.

Luminous

[curtains]

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very nice results curtains, thanks for sharing. What's next, 8 tabeling the $200s for a while?

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Waiting patiently for Party to add new $500 sit and gos.

[treeofwisdom7]

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I think I just heard treeofwisdom have an orgasm.

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how the hell did you know? curtains is my hero! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[treeofwisdom7]

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I AM WORLD CHAMPION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! holla

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I will crush you, although I have to be honest you eliminated me today on one of my anon accounts, pissed me off ...@#%@#^ coinflip.

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curtains is the best sit n go player in the world

AHHHHAHHAAHHHHH

[DonButtons]

looks like I have to make up for my lack of roi by playing like 3 times as much as you, lol...

time to challenge myself to play 8 hours a day!

[curtains]

It's a huge weakness of mine that I can't play many hours in a day. It just kills me somehow.....

[treeofwisdom7]

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It's a huge weakness of mine that I can't play many hours in a day. It just kills me somehow.....

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i cant 4 table for more than 3 hours at a time. I have a feeling that most players cant play their best game for long periods of time.

Can anyone play 8 hours of poker and still play their A or B game?

[vinyard]

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I'm sure this was lucky,

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I am pretty sure that I am right and this wasn't lucky or coincidence. I thought you knew that already.

[raptor517]

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It's a huge weakness of mine that I can't play many hours in a day. It just kills me somehow.....

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i cant 4 table for more than 3 hours at a time. I have a feeling that most players cant play their best game for long periods of time.

Can anyone play 8 hours of poker and still play their A or B game?

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yes.. ive 8 tabled all week 10 hours a day, and been fine. holla

[treeofwisdom7]

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It's a huge weakness of mine that I can't play many hours in a day. It just kills me somehow.....

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i cant 4 table for more than 3 hours at a time. I have a feeling that most players cant play their best game for long periods of time.

Can anyone play 8 hours of poker and still play their A or B game?

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yes.. ive 8 tabled all week 10 hours a day, and been fine. holla

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wow. nh

[johnnybeef]

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Can anyone play 8 hours of poker and still play their A or B game?

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no problems here, now if only i could do something about an 8 day downswing.... /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Daliman]

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It's a huge weakness of mine that I can't play many hours in a day. It just kills me somehow.....

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i cant 4 table for more than 3 hours at a time. I have a feeling that most players cant play their best game for long periods of time.

Can anyone play 8 hours of poker and still play their A or B game?

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yes.. ive 8 tabled all week 10 hours a day, and been fine. holla

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"Fine" is relative. 11k, 4 hands.

[trdi]

So you are actually opening new and new accounts, transfer money from your existing accounts to them, play and when you want to cash out, you just transfer the money back to the original accounts? Is that how you do it? /images/graemlins/smile.gif But if you want a rake back on every of these accounts, you could have problems. You would need a new person you know and who would agree to it for every new account you create.
If that is too trivial, excuse me. But I'm really interested in details how do you guys make these accounts.

[GtrHtr]

Very nice, you are my hero.

I liked this as well.

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Major overaggression on the bubble or when there were 5-6 left....was a huge problem. Also just took a bit getting experience 8 tabling.



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Working on this myself. Thanks,

GTR

[protoverus]

Could you give some examples of what holes you discovered in those first 100's of games? It would be helpful to see some of the types of mistakes you uncovered. I can't find mistakes in my own game if I don't know they exist...

be well

[curtains]

Honestly I can't remember although I know I had some. I rememeber one hand in particular that woke me up. I had something like A5 2 or 3 off the button and the blinds were like 100-200. Well I have a chart that says what the value of these hands are when turned face up.

Anyway A5o 2 off the button is like 6x BB, which means that if you pushed A5o faceup here, if you had more than 6x the BB it would be -EV against all equal stacks.

Anyway I remember I had something like 1800 chips and there were 2 big stacks behind me I believe. Anyway I decided to push anyway because I felt my opponents would fold better hands like A6,A7, A8 or whatever. Anyway Im not sure this is the exact situation but of course I got called by some hand like AJ and lost all my chips.

It was a terrible allin whatever it was, but since then I've become much more controlled.

[curtains]

btw just a forewarning, Im going to post my results at the end of every single month. If I happen to not post them feel free to assume I lost a ton of money or something. However they will be posted irregardless every month at the end of the month.

[raptor517]

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It's a huge weakness of mine that I can't play many hours in a day. It just kills me somehow.....

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i cant 4 table for more than 3 hours at a time. I have a feeling that most players cant play their best game for long periods of time.

Can anyone play 8 hours of poker and still play their A or B game?

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yes.. ive 8 tabled all week 10 hours a day, and been fine. holla

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"Fine" is relative. 11k, 4 hands.

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is this a stt forum? i think it is. blackjack can be left for the 'degenerate gamblers' forum. holla

[gumpzilla]

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btw just a forewarning, Im going to post my results at the end of every single month. If I happen to not post them feel free to assume I lost a ton of money or something. However they will be posted irregardless every month at the end of the month.

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Why all the advertising? Are you trying to take on students, or just build a brand name?

[Luminous Mist]

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btw just a forewarning, Im going to post my results at the end of every single month. If I happen to not post them feel free to assume I lost a ton of money or something. However they will be posted irregardless every month at the end of the month.

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Why all the advertising? Are you trying to take on students, or just build a brand name?

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Well, if he wants to be World STT Champion he has to get some people on the bandwagon.

Did you think TOW was enough??! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Luminous

[Sponger15SB]

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very nice results curtains, thanks for sharing. What's next, 8 tabeling the $200s for a while?

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Waiting patiently for Party to add new $500 sit and gos.

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what what what?????

is this confirmed to be true?

[Luminous Mist]

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very nice results curtains, thanks for sharing. What's next, 8 tabeling the $200s for a while?

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Waiting patiently for Party to add new $500 sit and gos.

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what what what?????

is this confirmed to be true?

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Do you have to go to dipshit school to be this way all the time, or are you refining a new course that will be offered soon by yourself??

If so, I know of several posters who would love to enroll in it...

Luminous

[Ryendal]

What is this chart Curtains ? I have a chart with the number 57 near A5o. WTF is your chart ?

[curtains]

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btw just a forewarning, Im going to post my results at the end of every single month. If I happen to not post them feel free to assume I lost a ton of money or something. However they will be posted irregardless every month at the end of the month.

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Why all the advertising? Are you trying to take on students, or just build a brand name?

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No just in case the results are good I don't want it to come off as bragging, since I will post them no matter what they are. Don't want to encourage another "whose penis is bigger thread" /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[curtains]

It's my own chart....top secret but possible to replicate with a little work.

[raptor517]

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It's my own chart....top secret but possible to replicate with a little work.

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takes a lot of effort though. i gave up about 1 minute in. holla

[Ryendal]

Well, I guess there is not such chart, and that you used your own knowledge. At least, I hope, else I don't understand and need some help

Holla

[Scuba Chuck]

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irregardless

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And to think I had so much respect for you ... /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[microbet]

I believe he means a chart that shows what hands at what stacks, blinds and positions you would push with even if your cards were exposed.

Doesn't everyone have one of these?

[treeofwisdom7]

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It's my own chart....top secret but possible to replicate with a little work.

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nice i tried to make a few hands on a chart like this myself im confused in the math, not sure if im doing it right or not. maybe i'll send you a pm with my chart.

/images/graemlins/grin.gif /GO CURTAINS! PEOPLES CHAMP!

[The Yugoslavian]

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It's my own chart....top secret but possible to replicate with a little work.

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nice i tried to make a few hands on a chart like this myself im confused in the math, not sure if im doing it right or not. maybe i'll send you a pm with my chart.

/images/graemlins/grin.gif /GO CURTAINS! PEOPLES CHAMP!

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I say you, gumpzilla, valenzuela, and Bigwig get into a ring and fight <font color="white">until you're all dead</font>.

Yugoslav

[Ryendal]

My best regret on 2+2 is to not be gifted to speak english, and only the fact to read need some effort, and I can miss many things...

I try to not lose the wire of ariane I found on 2+2.

The idea of a chart is interesting. I have has everybody I guess some " chart " in my mind, but it seems really hard to make one on paper.

Poker is few concept, that you have to play well, as it seems under PP in what we play.

[gildwulf]

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btw just a forewarning, Im going to post my results at the end of every single month. If I happen to not post them feel free to assume I lost a ton of money or something. However they will be posted irregardless every month at the end of the month.

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Is this really necessary? I know you are a great player, but if every great player did this it would take a magnifying glass to find the decent threads in this place.

[Ryendal]

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Is this really necessary? I know you are a great player, but if every great player did this it would take a magnifying glass to find the decent threads in this place.

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I like, and I can't believe I am alone, that good players post their results.

For many reasons, but I'm to lazy now ...

If you don't want to read them, may be you can /images/graemlins/grin.gif