greenstein on chan

[meriwether]

I was always under the impression that Johnny Chan was one of the elite poker players in the world. I know he is most famous for his back to back WSOP championships as depicted in Rounders, but I always thought he killed the highest ring games too, including the big game. I also know his poker playing in terms of playing time tapered off over the last decade.

After reading the article by Barry saying that too much credit is given to tournament players I noticed he didn't include Johnny Chan on his list of the world's elite.

My questions:
1) Does, or did Johnny Chan regularly play and beat the "big" game?
2) In what "tier" of players would Barry Greenstein rank Chan now? In his prime/in the past?
3) Is the reason Greenstein doesn't rate Chan as an elite player due to Chan's lack of elite status, or due to Chan's decreased poker playing?

[Dynasty]

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2) In what "tier" of players would Barry Greenstein rank Chan now? In his prime/in the past?

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Go to the source: Greenstein rates Chan and others (http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player.htm)

[tylerdurden]

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3) Is the reason Greenstein doesn't rate Chan as an elite player due to Chan's lack of elite status, or due to Chan's decreased poker playing?

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It's because Matt Damon bluffed him out of a single pot.

[meriwether]

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2) In what "tier" of players would Barry Greenstein rank Chan now? In his prime/in the past?

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Go to the source: Greenstein rates Chan and others (http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player.htm)

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Thanks for the link Dynasty. I've checked out Barry's site before, but it still doesn't answer the question of Chan's place among the top players according to Barry, as in the Rosenbloom ESPN article. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker/columns/story?columnist=rosenbloom_steve&id=2057000

[wall_st]

I was under the impression that Chan does not play nearly as much as he used to. Also you must remember Barry lives in LA and Chan lives in Vegas.

[bohemian]

Chan looks over the hill, fat, and tired.

[Nottom]

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Chan looks over the hill, fat, and tired.

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... and heads-up for a chance to win his 10th WSOP bracelet.

[wacki]

wow, larry flynt is a good poker player. I would of never of guessed. I saw a documentary on making porn via HBO. Flynt was interviewed and could barely talk or even make an intelligent statement. Very odd. I honestly thought he was retarded from too many drugs, age, etc.

[SheridanCat]

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wow, larry flynt is a good poker player. I would of never of guessed. I saw a documentary on making porn via HBO. Flynt was interviewed and could barely talk or even make an intelligent statement. Very odd. I honestly thought he was retarded from too many drugs, age, etc.

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Sheesh. He was shot. The guy's only a little over 60.

Regards,

T

[Daliman]

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wow, larry flynt is a good poker player. I would of never of guessed. I saw a documentary on making porn via HBO. Flynt was interviewed and could barely talk or even make an intelligent statement. Very odd. I honestly thought he was retarded from too many drugs, age, etc.

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Sheesh. He was shot. The guy's only a little over 60.

Regards,

T

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YEah, 5 bullets or so I believe too.

[wacki]

I'm not talking about his ability to walk. I'm talking about his ability to talk reasonably well. Also, his advice on that documentary was retarded. That has nothing to do with being shot.

I wish I could remember the name of it. It was basically some tall dark haired dorky looking guy talking and interviewing while his buddy held the camera. It was actually pretty good.

[MCS]

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3) Is the reason Greenstein doesn't rate Chan as an elite player due to Chan's lack of elite status, or due to Chan's decreased poker playing?

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It's because Matt Damon bluffed him out of a single pot.

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Oh, wow. Did he have it?

[meriwether]

So I guess, noone really knows?

[Daliman]

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I'm not talking about his ability to walk. I'm talking about his ability to talk reasonably well. Also, his advice on that documentary was retarded. That has nothing to do with being shot.

I wish I could remember the name of it. It was basically some tall dark haired dorky looking guy talking and interviewing while his buddy held the camera. It was actually pretty good.

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His ability to talk was also severely compromised by the attack.

[drewjustdrew]

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I'm not talking about his ability to walk. I'm talking about his ability to talk reasonably well. Also, his advice on that documentary was retarded. That has nothing to do with being shot.

I wish I could remember the name of it. It was basically some tall dark haired dorky looking guy talking and interviewing while his buddy held the camera. It was actually pretty good.

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Biography (http://imdb.com/name/nm0283658/bio)

From what I read, all I can think is the massive amounts of drugs affected his speaking abilities.

Do his name search on IMDB to find the title you are thinking of.

[chaas4747]

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2) In what "tier" of players would Barry Greenstein rank Chan now? In his prime/in the past?

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Go to the source: Greenstein rates Chan and others (http://www.barrygreenstein.com/player.htm)

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Has anyone else listend to the music that plays for each player when you select them?

Kung Fu Fighting = Chan
Man Eater = Harmon
Negreanu = Beat it
It's my party and I will cry if I want to = Hellmuth