Least deserving job function that expects a tip

[Ulysses]

OK. This is an offshoot of my tipping housekeeping thread.

What do you think is the situation where a tip is expected that is most ridiculous?

Off the top of my head, it is the taxi-line dude at a hotel which has a line of taxis waiting. The guy who stands there and whistles or waves over a cab. And maybe asks you where you are going and tells it to the cabbie, who always asks you anyway once the taxi-line dude closes the door. This guy really adds zero value to my experience, yet I just give him a dollar, cuz that's what people do.

Note that there is a VERY different role in some hotels in NYC that do not have a taxi-line. These guys provide a great service, especially when it is raining.

[tbach24]

People working at Starbucks

[Clarkmeister]

Whatever n00b. #122? bah. whippersnapper.

[jakethebake]

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People working at Starbucks

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...or Quizno's or any other non-bar counter help that put a tip jar out.

[Ulysses]

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People working at Starbucks

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...or Quizno's or any other non-bar counter help that put a tip jar out.

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This was my second choice. But is this less-deserving than the taxi-line guy? I don't think so.

[hoopsie44]

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What do you think is the situation where a tip is expected that is most ridiculous?

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1. The NYC homeless guys who wipe my windshield with their snot rags.

2. bathroom attendants who rush up to you as you're washing your hands and hand you a paper towel.

[jakethebake]

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2. bathroom attendants who rush up to you as you're washing your hands and hand you a paper towel.

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good answer. especially since i see people not wash their hands just so they don't feel like they should tip. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Ulysses]

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Whatever n00b. #122? bah. whippersnapper.

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STFU and buy a f'in house already so I can come to Vegas. Tipping these taxi-line guys is making me broke.

[Clarkmeister]

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Whatever n00b. #122? bah. whippersnapper.

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STFU and buy a f'in house already so I can come to Vegas. Tipping these taxi-line guys is making me broke.

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We close July 6. Same place. Put it in stone.

[busguy]

First trip to Vegas, maybe 15 years ago. leaving to fly home. cab pulls up to the curb side check-in at the Airport and the two fat bastards from United that check our bags both put their hands out at the same time. I don't think I've laughed that hard since.

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[man]

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2. bathroom attendants who rush up to you as you're washing your hands and hand you a paper towel.

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yeah, but I dunno, those guys are waiting on you. seems a bit better than the taxi guy.

I know I'm gonna get flamed, but I hate tipping dealers. they don't provide you with good luck. they're not waiting on you. they're doing something that the casino needs them to do.

but I do it anyway.

[OtisTheMarsupial]

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People working at Starbucks

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...or Quizno's or any other non-bar counter help that put a tip jar out.

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au contraire...

If you can't tell the difference between well-prepared food and ill-prepared food (that is, food deserving of a tip and it's counterpart), you needn't tip.

However, if you prefer proper milk foam (milk foam for a latte or cap should be like champagne, tiny bubbles, not horrendously large, bursting air pockets)... if you know and respect the art of a good barrista, you should consider tipping.

As far as Quizno's goes, well, I just tip them because they get such crappy wages I want to help make up for it. Also, they tend to use fresher ingredients for me and/or give me the guac for free /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[gonores]

I don't tip the taxi-line guys. And when possible, I try to scuff their shoes as I'm getting in their cab. They suck....horribly

[ZeeJustin]

I gotta go with Bathroom attendants on this one. I can put soap on my own damn hands, and I can get my own [censored] paper towles. I don't want some creepy dude watching me while I pee waiting to give me a hand.

As for those guys at the taxi line, I never even considered that they would ever receive tips. Do people really tip these guys? I don't think they can really expect many tips in any given period of time.

Edit: Same thing at Quiznos. Even if there is a "tips are appreciated" jar, the teenagers behind the counter don't really expect it from many customers, they just do it hoping to get lucky every now and then.

[handsome]

I've been thinking that tipping cab drivers is getting a bit excessive. I understand tipping waiters, bartenders, barbers, valet and delivery people, since tips are for the quality of the service they provide. After an $11 cab ride where the driver had no AC on or stopped at every single orange or gave me an attitude, I don't feel like paying more than a dollar for tip. I always believed that tips were implemented to pad the income of low-wage cabbies, but in NYC, where the average cabbie is making more than a public school teacher, that certainly isn't the case.

[OtisTheMarsupial]

Oh, you made me think of a funny scene from last night's entertainment: Bewitched.

Will Farrel is brought by police to the television studios all hungover and sad, holdinig a bottle of katsup. LA, like Vegas, is all about tipping and we tip everyone, so the TV execs tip the cops. Popo says nono, "Sir, you don't tip us."

ha! funny stuff...

[Alobar]

its gotta be the quiznos/subway/sandwich places.

Sure the taxi guy you describe doesnt do [censored], but I think he does more tip earning than the couner help at quiznos.

Think of it like this, if there was a tip cup at burger king, would you you think the taxi guy was less deserving of a tip than them?

[Ulysses]

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I gotta go with Bathroom attendants on this one. I can put soap on my own damn hands, and I can't get my own [censored] paper towles. I don't want some creepy dude watching me while I pee waiting to give me a hand.

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I used to feel this way about bathroom guys, but I've lately decided it is an OK service. While it is of course great to have a guy watching you pee, I've been to a number of places lately where there's like a shared sink area (often a fountain of some sort) outside all the bathrooms with an attendant. That's kind of nice and one bonus is you don't have to touch anything with your hands.

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As for those guys at the taxi line, I never even considered that they would ever receive tips. Do people really tip these guys? I don't think they can really expect many tips in any given period of time.

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I'm pretty sure the majority of people (if not the majority, definitely a lot of people) tip them $1 or $2 when they open the door.

[Ulysses]

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Think of it like this, if there was a tip cup at burger king, would you you think the taxi guy was less deserving of a tip than them?

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Yeah, I think so. I mean, at least the Burger King guy takes my order and transmits it to some other functionary. If the taxi line guy was not there, you know what would happen? A taxi would pull up from the line and the next people in line would get in it.

[ClaytonN]

Funny you should mention this El D, because a homeless guy who was doing an amateurish job of whistling over a taxicab to us in the Paris airport a few years ago got nothing from us. He then proceeded to give us the European version of the finger.

And I have never tipped a bathroom attendant in my life, and never intend to.

[MrWookie47]

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Off the top of my head, it is the taxi-line dude at a hotel which has a line of taxis waiting. The guy who stands there and whistles or waves over a cab. And maybe asks you where you are going and tells it to the cabbie, who always asks you anyway once the taxi-line dude closes the door. This guy really adds zero value to my experience, yet I just give him a dollar, cuz that's what people do.

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As I was reading your title, I was thinking of these taxi guys. What kind of a job is it to just hail a cab?

As for the Starbucks/Quizno's/etc. people, I think they mostly have the jar out so people who don't necessarily feel like keeping a pocket full of change can dump that in there. I think the taxi-line guys are more deserving of this title, since they expect a tip more, and they do less.

There is reasonable competition from the bathroom attendants, however. Getting handed the towel is nice, but it's not much and it's more than made up for by the creepiness of some dude watching you pee.

Actually, I read an article about a female bathroom attendant in the mens room who apparently made far better tips than her male counterparts. If a woman watched you pee and handed you a towel, would you be more inclined to tip?

[Clarkmeister]

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If a woman watched you pee and handed you a towel, would you be more inclined to tip?

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I don't know, but the Venetian has hired some HOT shoeshine girls and I am way more inclined to get my shoes shined now.

[jakethebake]

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I don't know, but the Venetian has hired some HOT shoeshine girls and I am way more inclined to get my shoes shined now.

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What's the uniform? If they're squatting there in short skirts, I'd probably get my running shoes shined. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Clarkmeister]

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I don't know, but the Venetian has hired some HOT shoeshine girls and I am way more inclined to get my shoes shined now.

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What's the uniform? If they're squatting there in short skirts, I'd probably get my running shoes shined. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Fishnets, black skirt, tuxedo type shirt buttoned way down, black apron, most have a long ponytail.

[wacki]

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Least deserving job function that expects a tip

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rude dealers

[jakethebake]

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Fishnets, black skirt, tuxedo type shirt buttoned way down, black apron, most have a long ponytail.

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Oh, my! Well I'll have to make sure I bring shineable shoes my next trip out.

[partygirluk]

The guy who presses the buttons in a lift in a hotel.

[brassnuts]

There are too many people expecting tips and I can't even think of one at the moment. However,

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Off the top of my head, it is the taxi-line dude at a hotel which has a line of taxis waiting. The guy who stands there and whistles or waves over a cab. And maybe asks you where you are going and tells it to the cabbie, who always asks you anyway once the taxi-line dude closes the door. This guy really adds zero value to my experience, yet I just give him a dollar, cuz that's what people do.

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last time I was in Vegas, I had a few hours to kill before my flight out, and I decided to play some poker at the Belagio. I had 2 big bags with me so I checked them in. When I picked up my bags as I left, the guy let me cut in front of a line of about 100 people waiting to get a taxi. I tipped him a few bucks.

[JaBlue]

On a cruise to Alaska I found out they take 10$ in tips from you per day to pay the workers. I went to the desk to ask how it was divvied up. Obviously it is for house keeping and your waitor and assistant waitor. However, I also noticed that they including some [censored] for the Matri D and this was unaccaptable to me. I had never seen this guy until the day before tips, and even then, he asked if I wanted something to drink and that's it. And they expect me to tip this bastard? I'm sure the whole automated tipping system is corrupted by tenure rather than service, so I cancelled the automated service and handled the tips myself. I gave out the same total dollars that I would have, but I divvied it up how I saw fit.

Also, if you have exceptional service on a cruise I recommend that you tip more than you normally would. I was talking to my server and he said they work 12 hours a day 7 days a week for 6 month contracts. They work 80 hour weeks for 6 months straight in order to feed their families back home in the phillipines (or wherever) so tip them well.

[JaBlue]

They don't expect a tip, they just appreciate it if they give you one.

There's a jamba juice two doors down from where I work and I often get an original size citrus squeeze which runs 3.85. They have a tip jar out and I give them the 15c. A lot of other people do that, too. I would rather give my 15c to a worker at jamba juice than some homeless person that may or may not spend it on drugs. Maybe I should start saving my 15c in a fund and buy homeless people jamba juice with it.

[jakethebake]

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Also, if you have exceptional service on a cruise I recommend that you tip more than you normally would. I was talking to my server and he said they work 12 hours a day 7 days a week for 6 month contracts. They work 80 hour weeks for 6 months straight in order to feed their families back home in the phillipines (or wherever) so tip them well.

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They actually make very good money. There are actually doctors working as waiters on some of those ships because they make more than than they do at home.

[JaBlue]

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Also, if you have exceptional service on a cruise I recommend that you tip more than you normally would. I was talking to my server and he said they work 12 hours a day 7 days a week for 6 month contracts. They work 80 hour weeks for 6 months straight in order to feed their families back home in the phillipines (or wherever) so tip them well.

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They actually make very good money. There are actually doctors working as waiters on some of those ships because they make more than than they do at home.

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Have you ever been on a cruise? Every name tag says the phillipines or india or something. American companies don't hire foreign help so they can pay them well period. As for the doctor thing, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a doctor in a town of a couple thousand could make more money working 60 hours a week than he could at home as a professional.

[RacersEdge]

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People working at Starbucks

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...or Quizno's or any other non-bar counter help that put a tip jar out.

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too funny, I must have just mentally eliminated the concept of tip jars - I am literally eating a Quiznos right now, and didn't even notice a tip jar there..

[RacersEdge]

I have to throw this on in: I won a player's share of a Bad Beat Jackpot last week. I wondered why they just didn't give everyone the cash - about $750. Instead they forced everyone to take their share at a table in the form of chips so the dealer of the BB could sit at each table while the chips were handed out with his tip box right in the middle of everyhting looking for a kickback for his good "work". Just seemed so cheesy.

The funny part was the same dealer that was looking for tips for basically nothing, had flipped up my second K that would have given me KK. But I he didn;t flip me a few chips to make up for his bad.

[Benholio]

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People working at Starbucks

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...or Quizno's or any other non-bar counter help that put a tip jar out.

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Yeah, they have a tip jar at Baskin Robbins. WTF?

[RacersEdge]

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If a woman watched you pee and handed you a towel, would you be more inclined to tip?

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I don't know, but the Venetian has hired some HOT shoeshine girls and I am way more inclined to get my shoes shined now.

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Making mental note.....


Will they spit shine as well?

[LittleOldLady]

Speaking of tipping washroom attendants--

Once when a friend of mine was in Germany, he was standing next to a guy who was eating a wurst, and the guy managed to get mustard all over my friend's shirt. My friend repaired to the Herren to try to do a bit of cleanup. When he got there, he was shocked to see an aged crone sitting there with a price list: so much if you are going to do THIS and so much if you are going to do THAT. Basically each man had to state his business and pay accordingly. Apparently the list didn't have a stated price for washing off mustard.

What I don't understand is why you are supposed to tip the airport guy who checks you in curbside, but not the person who checks you in at the counter in the terminal. Same service.... I am a, well, confrontational sort of person. I will, for example, wait my turn, but not one second more. Once I waited for quite a while at the curbside check-in, and just when it was my turn, some very chesty blonde stepped ahead of me, and the counter guy started taking care of her. When my turn finally did come, I refused to tip him, and he got all shirty about it. I told him to collect his tip from Blondie's tits. That didn't go over too well, but he didn't get a cent of my money.

[Tron]

Usually the guys at curbside check-in carry my bags some distance, whereas the people inside the terminal just throw them on the conveyor belt directly behind them, or in the Frontier terminal in LAX which is trashy and horrible, they make me carry them to security.

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Usually the guys at curbside check-in carry my bags some distance.

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Were not talking "red caps" here. Were talking about check-in with the conveyor belt at the freakin curb side.

[Chairman Wood]

Although they do deserve something, I get a little irked sometimes at waitresses that work at buffets that expect a similar tip to ones that serve you. This is especially true if they don't bus their own tables. When that happens I would have no problem leaving a big tip if I knew most of it was going to the bussers instead of the waitresses but leaving 20% of a bill to someone who only brings you an occasional soda and napkins is silly.

[jakethebake]

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Have you ever been on a cruise? Every name tag says the phillipines or india or something. American companies don't hire foreign help so they can pay them well period. As for the doctor thing, I wouldn't be surprised to hear that a doctor in a town of a couple thousand could make more money working 60 hours a week than he could at home as a professional.

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I'm not sure what your point is. Of course that's why they hire nearly all foreigners. In general, they'll work harder for less. And in many places "service" occupations aren't thought of as a crap job. They actually take pride in providing good service.

My point was that these people are from places where the standard & cost of living is very low so what they're making is a fortune to them. I'm not trying to argue they're all becoming zillionaires and that you shouldn't tip them. But I'm saying that by their own standards, they're making a helluva lot of money.

[slamdunkpro]

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So, you tip them to encourage them to steal? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[OtisTheMarsupial]

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So, you tip them to encourage them to steal? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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Yeah, generally I discourage stealing, but in my case it's a little different. Usually I order something minus the most expensive part (the meat) [p]plus[/i] something not so expensive (quac) and they will charge the regular price plus the add-on fee for whatever replacement thing I wanted. It's annoying and it happens all the time, so yes, I encourage food service workers to buck the system and give me my vegetarian option at the same price as the meat option.

Whatever.

[CD56]

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First trip to Vegas, maybe 15 years ago. leaving to fly home. cab pulls up to the curb side check-in at the Airport and the two fat bastards from United that check our bags both put their hands out at the same time. I don't think I've laughed that hard since.

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were your bags ok when you got home?

[slamdunkpro]

Your case is a little different /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[hoopsie44]

What does it matter if they pay out the Bad Beat jackpot in cash or chips ? I had a piece of one at the Sahara that they paid out in cash and the floor supervisor was browbeating all the players to take care of " his boy". We all tipped the dealer in cash.

[Voltron87]

mini hijack:

I live in NYC. When I order Chinese food, my standard tip (no matter how much the order cost) is round up the price to the highest dollar, then add 2. So I am tipping 2$ + the change. The place I order from is a total of 3 blocks away, 2 uptown and one avenue.

I will make an exception if my stuff is more than one bag, but it rarely ever is. If its 7.45, I give him 10, and if its 19.83, I give him 22. Good? People say I don't tip enough on the larger orders, and say the tip for the 19$ order should be larger. I disagree, since they are both one bag and virtually the same effort. If the guy brought 2 bags and could carry less on his round (making it less profitable for him) I would make an exception.

[Lawrence Ng]

For me, it's poker dealers who do a really shitty job.

Lawrence

[hoopsie44]

Interesting, but using this rationale you would tip the same in a sit down restaurant for a $9 meatloaf as you would for a $22 salmon, it's only 1 trip from the kitchen for the waitress. I always tip as a % of total order.

[RacersEdge]

I figure it's the standard casino psychological reason that people will spend - in this case tip - more in terms of clay chips than real money. I was surprised how many people flipped green chips into the dealer's box.

[hoopsie44]

Yeah...that makes sense. I didn't care for the heavy handed manner they used to encourage tipping.

[jakethebake]

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Interesting, but using this rationale you would tip the same in a sit down restaurant for a $9 meatloaf as you would for a $22 salmon, it's only 1 trip from the kitchen for the waitress. I always tip as a % of total order.

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This really makes more sense than the traditional way of doing it.

[Voltron87]

Which is this jake?


I agree with you though, my way is better.

tipping waitresses and tipping deliverymen is completely different. i dont even come close to using this rationale at restaurants. i tip based on the total cost, with considerations for how attention she had to pay to our table, and how nice she was. I never say "oh she didnt have to make many trips" I dont coutn that against her, but if she had to fill up drinks/ bring out several courses, etc, I'll add a bit.

another question: If you are at a nice restaurant and you order wine, do you include the price of the wine in the number you base your tip on? i dont.

[jakethebake]

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Which is this jake?

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Tipping based on the job/amount of work makes more sense. I tip delivery people the way you do, and use standard for waitresses/waiters. But really the other way makes more sense. It's silly to tip more based on the higher priced meal, unless of course the better restaurant had better service or you ordered more courses, more drinks, etc.

[Rick Diesel]

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First trip to Vegas, maybe 15 years ago. leaving to fly home. cab pulls up to the curb side check-in at the Airport and the two fat bastards from United that check our bags both put their hands out at the same time. I don't think I've laughed that hard since.

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I would consider it very stupid to not tip the guys that are handling your bags, especially at the curb-side check in. Not only stupid, but cheap, very cheap.

[goofball]

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So, you tip them to encourage them to steal? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

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I just thought of the first and only time I tipped a counter person.

I went to Einstein Bros. Bagels for a half dozen, they were closing soon apparently, and the girl threw in 5 extra bagels at no charge. I tossed a buck in the tip jar.


The only other time I put $$ in a tip jar was at the round table in Seattle where I used to go all the time. I went there enough that tipping had good future EV.

[Dantes]

I'm gonna go with air traffic controller or fireman.

[Blarg]

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What do you think is the situation where a tip is expected that is most ridiculous?

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1. The NYC homeless guys who wipe my windshield with their snot rags.

2. bathroom attendants who rush up to you as you're washing your hands and hand you a paper towel.

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Both of these are perfect answers.

[Ulysses]

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On a cruise to Alaska

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I've never taken a cruise since I was a little kid, but do a search on "cruise tipping" and read about what is expected for tipping on a cruise. Crazy!

[Ulysses]

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The guy who presses the buttons in a lift in a hotel.

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Hmmm, this function isn't very common in the States, but where it exists I don't think it usually gets tipped.

[jakethebake]

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I've never taken a cruise since I was a little kid, but do a search on "cruise tipping" and read about what is expected for tipping on a cruise. Crazy!

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It actually varies widely. Some cruises tipping is not even allowed, and the tipee will be fired. Others, as mentioned, usually the auto tipping deals, it's ridiculously high. Others, they just give you an envelope and you tip whatever you want at the end.

[KaneKungFu123]

my dad used to tip the grocery store guy for pushing our wagon to our car like $5-10. so then anytime we show'd up, they'd follow us aroudn the store incase we couldnt find anything. it was really gay.

[KaneKungFu123]

in many business id perfer incresed prices and higher wages and no gratuity. its so embarrassing watching some lsoer try to scam you for a few bucks her doesnt deserve.

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I've never taken a cruise since I was a little kid, but do a search on "cruise tipping" and read about what is expected for tipping on a cruise. Crazy!

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It actually varies widely. Some cruises tipping is not even allowed, and the tipee will be fired. Others, as mentioned, usually the auto tipping deals, it's ridiculously high. Others, they just give you an envelope and you tip whatever you want at the end.

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[Wintermute]

In some instances, the restroom attendant is necessary. I'm thinking specifically here of titty bars. When I take a piss at a strip club, the last thing I want to touch is the faucet handle, door handle, etc on my way out. I'm happy to toke some dude a buck for taking care of that for me.

[sfer]

The mailman.

[KaneKungFu123]

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The mailman.

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that tip is as much about protecting yourself as it is about being nice, unless you want him to not care when your letter falls between the seats.

[jakethebake]

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The mailman.

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who tips the mailman? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[MrWookie47]

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The mailman.

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Who's even around when the mailman delivers the mail in order to give him a tip? I don't know about your mailman, but mine just puts my mail in the box and then leaves.

[hoopsie44]

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The mailman.

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Who's even around when the mailman delivers the mail in order to give him a tip? I don't know about your mailman, but mine just puts my mail in the box and then leaves.


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Some people tip their mailman around Christmas time.

[CollinEstes]

I don't know if you guys have them but sonic drive in fast food. The people bring it to your car and they expect a tip. That is like tipping the drive through window at Mc.Donalds.

[cnfuzzd]

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Which is this jake?

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Tipping based on the job/amount of work makes more sense. I tip delivery people the way you do, and use standard for waitresses/waiters. But really the other way makes more sense. It's silly to tip more based on the higher priced meal, unless of course the better restaurant had better service or you ordered more courses, more drinks, etc.

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This is wrong for two reasons. First, tip out. Most fine dining restaurants require waitstaff to "tip out"(give money) to bussers, hosts, dishwashers, etc etc, and this amount is always a percentage of food sales. If you had a $100 tab, its not unusual for the waitor or waitress to tip out at least 5% of that to someone else, regardless of what tip the customer left.

Also, most restaurants now calcualte taxes based on food sales. Much like the tip out, a large tab is going to garner a higher withholding on the check regardless of the tip left.

Tipping should always be a function of how much you spent. Dont be a nit, most servers work their asses off.

peace

john nickle

[jakethebake]

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Tipping based on the job/amount of work makes more sense. I tip delivery people the way you do, and use standard for waitresses/waiters. But really the other way makes more sense. It's silly to tip more based on the higher priced meal, unless of course the better restaurant had better service or you ordered more courses, more drinks, etc.

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This is wrong for two reasons. First, tip out. Most fine dining restaurants require waitstaff to "tip out"(give money) to bussers, hosts, dishwashers, etc etc, and this amount is always a percentage of food sales. If you had a $100 tab, its not unusual for the waitor or waitress to tip out at least 5% of that to someone else, regardless of what tip the customer left.

Also, most restaurants now calcualte taxes based on food sales. Much like the tip out, a large tab is going to garner a higher withholding on the check regardless of the tip left.

Tipping should always be a function of how much you spent. Dont be a nit, most servers work their asses off.

peace

john nickle

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Waiters at lower priced places tip out too so that's a moot point. And the tax thing is set up that way because people tip based on the check amount, not vice versa. I'm not saying they don't work their asses off. I'm not trying to be cheap or tip less. You miss my point. My point is that a waiter at say an average-priced place also works his ass off and is no less-deserving.

[cnfuzzd]

sorry jake,,, i thought that this...

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It's silly to tip more based on the higher priced meal, unless of course the better restaurant had better service or you ordered more courses, more drinks, etc.


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meant that you were advocating a flat tip, instead of a percentage based tip. I tip the same percent, no matter what restaurant im in, and will adjust from that percentage based on quality of service...

peace

john nickle

[Stellastarr]

Bathroom attendants?

[jakethebake]

I am advocating a flat tip. I'm not saying I'll start doing it, but I wish it were the custom. Does it make any sense that you tip a fair waiter at an expensive restaurant more than an outstanding one at an average restaurant? My point isn't that you should tip less. I'm just saying it would make more sense that it be based on service rather than the cost.

[cnfuzzd]

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I am advocating a flat tip. I'm not saying I'll start doing it, but I wish it were the custom. Does it make any sense that you tip a fair waiter at an expensive restaurant more than an outstanding one at an average restaurant? My point isn't that you should tip less. I'm just saying it would make more sense that it be based on service rather than the cost.

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That doesnt make a whole lot of sense jake. the waitstaff at a higher priced restaurant incurs more expenses by ringing a larger amount of sales, and thus should reasonably expect their tips to be higher to compensate. Furthermore, its presumed that most of the fine dining establishments hire better quality of servers. Also, most one and two star, even some three star restaurants dont maintain the additional staff, such as bussers, that require the waitstaff to tip out.

Tipping should always be a function of service, but there is also the element that most servers are required to pay out others based on the costs of the meals they serve. Now, granted most servers at finer dining establishments also make more overall, but thats usually a function of service level, or at least a desire to be employed in the highest paying restaurant.

You should also understand that most servers view tips with a healthy sense of perspective based on where they work. Ive worked in restaurants where a 10 dollar tip was something to be really stoked about, and in others where a fifty dollar tip was fairly blase. This is mostly based on what the servers expectations, which are usually also what determines which restaurant they work in.

peace

john nickle

[The Truth]

strippers.

[swede123]

I have to say the people at Einstein Bagels. Fuckers.

Swede

[jakethebake]

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That doesnt make a whole lot of sense jake. the waitstaff at a higher priced restaurant incurs more expenses by ringing a larger amount of sales

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I don't get at all what you're talking about here. If they do the same work, they should get the same money. Who cares how much they ring up? That's a function of the menu, not their salesmanship (in general).

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Furthermore, its presumed that most of the fine dining establishments hire better quality of servers.

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As I said, if they provide superior service, they should get a superior tip. We have no argument on that.

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Also, most one and two star, even some three star restaurants dont maintain the additional staff, such as bussers, that require the waitstaff to tip out.

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I'd argue this point. Some don't but many, many casual. lower priced places do. But since those people aren't really providing you with service directly, maybe they shouldn't get tipped anyway.

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Tipping should always be a function of service, but there is also the element that most servers are required to pay out others based on the costs of the meals they serve.

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I understand what you're saying, and I know that they tip out. What I'm saying is that the value of the meal is a stupid basis for tipping. That includes it being a stupid basis for how much they tip out. It's not going to change. But that doesn't mean it makes sense.

[benza13]

Having a mailman in the family, I know for a fact that around Christmas it is very common for people and businesses to leave an envelope or package for the mailman. I've heard of tips up to $50 or more from businesses that get a lot of packages and seen more Dunkin Donuts gift certificates than I thought possible for one person to use in a year. On average I would say about half of the houses tip something.

[jakethebake]

We used to give the mailman some cookies or something, but I never thought of it as a tip. He was a nice guy, and would stop and chat when he caught us at home. It was more of a friendly holiday gesture than a tip. Sometimes we'd also have a cup of coffee or hot cocoa if we happened to see him coming up the block in the cold.