Should I be calling this? Seemed like a hard decision...

[ClaytonN]

No reads on the maniac dude

25+2 tournament by the way

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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

UTG+1 (t845)
MP1 (t2155)
MP2 (t990)
MP3 (t820)
CO (t955)
Hero (t2260)
SB (t735)
BB (t1952)
UTG (t1263)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls t20, MP3 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t90) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t90) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 pushes all-in for 970, MP3 folds, Hero???

[bugstud]

weird. I would, but I'm a calling station fishy

flop action confuses me, 33/66 are the only hands I'm really afraid of and you may have a lower flush drawing dead.

[billyjex]

i can't call faster. if he plays a full house like this god bless him.

[future]

Looks like he doesn't want to see another spade. Your hand must be good.

[USCUNC]

Why are you not betting pre-flop, post flop? Wouldnt you like to "see" what others have? if you loose to a dude with 66 or 33 here credit your passive play?

Thoughts?

[ClaytonN]

Hands like AT and AJ suck in these early stages unless you've determined one particular villain to be a loose fishy caller that's passive. And I wanted to see a flop.

I fail to see what a smallish bet on the flop would help determine, asides from the people with nothing getting out of the hand.

[bugstud]

lets you see the river cheaply if you miss the turn sometimes. Sometimes to take the pot right there which isn't bad either.

[ClaytonN]

Good point.

Anyways, I went into the tank and folded. I don't feel so bad about it though.

[kuro]

A guy bets 970 into a pot of 90 on the turn where nobody has shown any strength at all and you give him credit for a boat. You should feel bad about your fold.

[billyjex]

[ QUOTE ]
Good point.

Anyways, I went into the tank and folded. I don't feel so bad about it though.

[/ QUOTE ]

I would feel bad. What are you waiting for? This just about never means a boat. You will see the K spade here sometimes. People are monkeys like this with weak hands -- they try to get value out of a full house.

[bobbycharles]

I've lost a little confidence lately, but I'm playing this hand completely different post flop.

With position and a fold around to me, I'm betting 2/3 the pot and see what action I get. You probably take it down right there. A check raise says trip jacks or the boat and you gotta lay it down.

With a smooth call, we see the turn gives our nut flush. The all in bet tells me he probably wants to try and take it down right there. I'm calling his trip jacks or weak flush. If he has the boat....that's poker.

Like I said, I've lost confidence lately, so my play may smell fishy as well.

[ClaytonN]

[ QUOTE ]
This just about never means a boat. You will see the K spade here sometimes. People are monkeys like this with weak hands -- they try to get value out of a full house.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't have enough experience in tournaments to have recognized this off the bat.

Thing is, I had used a play very similar to this 2 hands prior that got me to big stack on table. I had 44, flopped a set, turned bottom full house. River came a third diamond, and I pushed about t650 into a t900 pot and busted a guy who made a nut flush draw.

My flop check was retarded.

[Edge34]

You've heard this from basically everybody, but...

Call already!

I'd really like to know what card you'd like to have seen to allow you not to fold here.

[Matador225]

You need to call no question about it. You have the best possible flush and the short stack most likely was afraid his trips would be ruined by another spade. There is always the chance he really does have the full boat, but as the other posters have so succinctly put it, "thats poker."

[yabastid]

Clayton,
I know you've had some success recently but you can't play this scared.

yabastid

[handsome]

Holy crap I can't believe you folded this.

[rgschackelford]

You've got the nut flush. JJ, 33, 66, J6, and J3 all make boats. JJ would have been raised preflop, J6 and J3 all don't seem likely. 33 might be a possibility. 66 is probably the main concern. First ask, "Why did he overbet the pot all in?" He seems unexperienced, which makes him very hard to read. Inxeperienced people do like to play like they see on the WPT, and would probably raise 66. But this also reopens the door on J6 or J3 (probably suited). Honestly, I am astounded at such an all in. But, with a made flush, and having him covered, with still a nice stack left, I would say, "go for it!" Remember you can't wait for EVERYTHING to be in your favor to pick up chips in a no limit tournament. Anyway, I hope this helps.

Rusty

[psyduck]

are you kidding me? I insta-call here

[JaBlue]

just call it, dag nabit.

[Masquerade]

Instant call.

[Jason Strasser]

CALLCA CLALCLALC ALCALCALCLA CLLCALCLALCALCLALCA
caCLACLaCLACLALCLACL
CLALC
CALLCALLLLLLLLLL

[billyjex]

i'm 10 beers deep and i agree more with CALL CALCALCALCALAL as per strassa, who is probably 15 beers deep.

[PrayingMantis]

[ QUOTE ]
Should I be calling this? Seemed like a hard decision

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but I really wish MY hard decisions would look more like this...

Seriously, it could be a hard decision only if you have some strange side-bet with someone about who'll be making the most -EV fold during a MTT. You might as well just fold KK PF or something, because there's a good enough chance someone will have a better hand on the flop. You really can't play that scared.

[Depalma]

[ QUOTE ]
Thing is, I had used a play very similar to this 2 hands prior that got me to big stack on table. I had 44, flopped a set, turned bottom full house. River came a third diamond, and I pushed about t650 into a t900 pot and busted a guy who made a nut flush draw.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not so similar. There is a gigantic difference between pushing all-in $970 into a $90 pot and pushing all-in $650 into a $900 pot.

Unless you have a read that this guy is going to get overexcited and overbet his great hands and risk making peanuts, I think you must think that his all-in is trying to get the flush draws out.

From your posts, I know you are a strong player, but this particular fold, IMHO, seems very weak.