Couple 1/2 6max hands from tonite.... [Archive]

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aK13

06-25-2005, 06:34 AM

Villain here is a pretty light preflop raiser, likes to auto-bet flops, doesn't seem overly aggressive postflop (40/20/1), but I he does bet/raise some random stuff once in a while.

I feel like this should be an easy fold for me, but I'm a fish =(.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

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Villain here is fairly LAGgy, 71/13/1.

The 3bet was because I thought he was attempting a hijack, and I wanted to resteal. If I peel the turn, do I call a river bet UI?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP bets, Hero ?

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Villain here is 40/0/1. Haven't noticed anything particularly special about him.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

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Standard?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks.

Turn: (5 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks.

River: (5 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, CO folds, Hero folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

gronmo

06-25-2005, 09:34 AM

Hand #1

I probably call this one down. He could easily have a hand like T7o, two pair or a a flush draw.

Hand #2

Three betting preflop is pretty standard, but why aren't you raising this flop? A 71 vpip player could have anything (even though he has a low pfr). The pot is pretty large 13.5 sb and an extra bet could give you info about the strength of your opponents hands aswell as a free card on the turn.

aK13

06-25-2005, 03:39 PM

Bumper.

Surfbullet

06-26-2005, 02:00 AM

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Villain here is a pretty light preflop raiser, likes to auto-bet flops, doesn't seem overly aggressive postflop (40/20/1), but I he does bet/raise some random stuff once in a while.

I feel like this should be an easy fold for me, but I'm a fish =(.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB calls.

Turn: (3.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB bets, Hero ?

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Call, and call the river barring a really bad card. This will often be a picked-up flush draw or worse 1 pair hand. Fold though had he checkraised you.

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Villain here is fairly LAGgy, 71/13/1.

The 3bet was because I thought he was attempting a hijack, and I wanted to resteal. If I peel the turn, do I call a river bet UI?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP bets, Hero ?

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Fold preflop. He may raise 13% of his hands but KQo isn't good enough to 3bet him - he's not actually very laggy, most TAG's raise more than that. Save 3betting for AJs or 77, a hand that's much less likely dominated.

Given that you made it here, fold the turn. You peeled the flop to try and hit the straight, and maybe a 3rd Q. You don't have odds to do so on the turn because your Q outs may not be good and your K outs very often aren't either.

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Villain here is 40/0/1. Haven't noticed anything particularly special about him.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, SB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, SB folds.

Turn: (4 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (6 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

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This comes down to whether you think he'll more often call with a worse high card hand, or more often bet it when checked through. Unless he's laggy you're usually better off betting because you'll get calls by as low as K-high sometimes.
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Standard?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks.

Turn: (5 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP checks, CO checks.

River: (5 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, CO folds, Hero folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8 BB

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At 5/10 or 10/20 sometimes I'll take a stab at this pot on the turn, but at 1/2 you'll almost always be called by stuff like 73 or 22 etc. It's fine the way you played it - we have to be all about value bets, not bluffing out 4 players.

Surf

gronmo

06-26-2005, 07:45 AM

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, 1 fold, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, BB folds.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP bets, Hero ?

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Fold preflop. He may raise 13% of his hands but KQo isn't good enough to 3bet him - he's not actually very laggy, most TAG's raise more than that. Save 3betting for AJs or 77, a hand that's much less likely dominated.

Given that you made it here, fold the turn. You peeled the flop to try and hit the straight, and maybe a 3rd Q. You don't have odds to do so on the turn because your Q outs may not be good and your K outs very often aren't either.

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I think folding here would be a big mistake. If he is not playing the blinds very aggressively then 13% pfr is pretty aggressive. He could be raising everything from 66-AA, KTs, KJ, QTs... That is if the 13% pfr is his real raising standards. Sample size can matter a lot in these situations.

His opponent is pretty much playing every hand. The poster feels he is loose and aggressive and trying to steal blinds. Why on earth wouldn't you three bet this preflop when you are on the button.

I think going for an isolation raise here is the only play. You have position on him for the rest of the hand, and you are bound to be a better post flop player than him aswell.

Surfbullet

06-26-2005, 02:06 PM

A quick pokerstove sim:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 46.5167 % 41.03% 05.49% { KQo }
Hand 2: 53.4833 % 48.00% 05.49% { 66+, QTs+, KJo+ }

You aren't even 50% equity against his average range of hands...KQo is a decent hand but you are not going to showdown with it unless you improve, so you have yourself A)needing to hit the flop B) against an aggressive, decent player who may be capable of raising you on a J83 flop - you don't know if he's got AK or 77 or QTs and you can't call him down with KQo.

This is a pretty clear fold IMO.

Now, say you have JTs and you are certain that one (or both) of the blinds will come along, because they are mega-loose. Now you can cold-call, because with another player or 2 in the hand with near-random holdings your equity jumps tremendously.

Or, you have 88. Now consider 3betting him. Your equity isn't as good, but you have a showdownable hand that doesn't need to improve to win.
Additionally, it will usually be pretty obvious when you are behind...the hot-cold sim also accounts for times when he rivers a T with QT which he won't be doing often if you maintain your aggression.

Surf

baronzeus

06-26-2005, 08:27 PM

Change your title from "Pooh-Bah" to "Salmon" or just even "Fish"

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