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tbach24
06-24-2005, 11:42 PM
PokerStars 2/4 Hold'em (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

River: (6.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 8.25 BB

UTG was just betting/raising every street last hand with an overpair.
Harv72b
06-24-2005, 11:45 PM
Against an unknown I'd probably check through &amp; hope that he's just an idiot or holding a 4-flush. But I also have zero experience with Stars 2/4, let alone short-handed games there.
jason_t
06-24-2005, 11:46 PM
I'd check and hope he has a missed /images/graemlins/heart.gif draw. Also, when you post decisions like this, don't post whether or not villain called.
tbach24
06-24-2005, 11:49 PM
Ok, will remember that from now on.
Evan
06-25-2005, 12:31 AM
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Bet the River?

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Yes.
aK13
06-25-2005, 12:34 AM
I don't mind betting the river here.
jason_t
06-25-2005, 12:38 AM
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Bet the River?

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Yes.

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How often do you expect to be called by a worse hand here?
Evan
06-25-2005, 12:49 AM
&gt;50% of the time I am called.

I made a post about this a while back in a thread about a hand from some book, I think it was a thread TT started, people don't bet the river enough when it's checked to them.
jason_t
06-25-2005, 01:28 AM
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&gt;50% of the time I am called.

I made a post about this a while back in a thread about a hand from some book, I think it was a thread TT started, people don't bet the river enough when it's checked to them.

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How did you arrive at that figure?
Evan
06-25-2005, 01:36 AM
If I think it's a good spot to bet than don't I inherently think that I'm good more than 50% of the time that I'm called? There are lots of pairs that he could be calling down with that aren't aces.
jason_t
06-25-2005, 01:46 AM
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There are lots of pairs that he could be calling down with that aren't aces.

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That's always true.
Evan
06-25-2005, 02:50 AM
Right, so you shoudl be betting the river a lot when it's checked to you. I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not.
ihardlyknowher
06-25-2005, 02:58 AM
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There are lots of pairs that he could be calling down with that aren't aces.

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Which ones? I don't see a 4 going to SD here. IMO, it is not &gt;55% that that he spiked a T, or spiked a 6 and will call you. Maybe 77, 88, &amp; 99 - but I don't think adding those in will get it over 55%.
Evan
06-25-2005, 03:11 AM
So you think the times he has a pair lower than aces he calls the flop and the turn planning to fold the river?
ihardlyknowher
06-25-2005, 03:19 AM
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So you think the times he has a pair lower than aces he calls the flop and the turn planning to fold the river?

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I think pairs lower than T are most likely gone on the turn, and if villain has QQ or JJ here, he would 3-bet preflop to get it HU (he should IMO). And if he is not a good player (unknown at 2/4), he will have 2/images/graemlins/heart.gifs, 3x, KQ, KJ, or QJ here &gt;45% of the time and will not call you.
Harv72b
06-25-2005, 03:23 AM
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So you think the times he has a pair lower than aces he calls the flop and the turn planning to fold the river?

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Actually, I see a lot of players (presumably) doing that...I've had many a time where I flopped TP with aces after a PFR and had some guy call down on a pretty drawless board, only to fold to a river bet. I assume it's because he's either got a pocket pair &amp; is hoping to spike his set or paired something else on the flop &amp; is calling down with a 5-outer...this seems to be very, very true in low-limit shorthanded games.

If Hero was holding QQ &amp; the flop had come K high I think a river bet is in order, but I'm just not sure he's getting called often enough by worse hands on an A-high board to make the river bet worthwhile here.