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PokerBob

06-24-2005, 09:33 PM

villain here is 54/10/1.8. Now what?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero says MOTHERFUCKER and does what?

Entity

06-24-2005, 09:39 PM

Calls. You've almost always got 6 outs here.

sethypooh21

06-24-2005, 09:42 PM

Anyone else not wild about capping the turn against loose-non-maniac type?

Entity

06-24-2005, 09:42 PM

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Anyone else not wild about capping the turn against loose-non-maniac type?

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He didn't cap. He 3-bet. And no, I probably just call down after the checkraise here.

Rob

wheelz

06-24-2005, 09:45 PM

calls down UI

wheelz

06-24-2005, 09:47 PM

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helpmeout

06-24-2005, 09:47 PM

Dont 3bet if you are going to calldown after a cap.

Entity

06-24-2005, 09:55 PM

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Isn't 54/10/1.8 on the aggressive side? Why wouldn't you 3-bet the turn?

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Yeah, it's aggressive, but it's not quite maniacal. His flop c/c, turn c/r is usually a better hand than TPTK in my experience. I might be leaving bets on the table by calling his c/r and river bet, but I don't know that you gain much more by 3-betting when you have to call his cap, especially if you're planning on calling a river bet UI too.

Sure seems like a hand like A3s is awfully likely here. I dunno though.

Rob

wheelz

06-24-2005, 10:02 PM

Wow, I'm on fire today... my bad, I thought the 4 on the flop was a king. I have a 56" TV and 21" monitor hooked up to my computer and my browser is open in the small monitor so it's hard to see from where I'm sitting... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Yeah I call this down after the checkraise on the turn

PokerBob

06-25-2005, 02:48 AM

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Dont 3bet if you are going to calldown after a cap.

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I like this a lot, but I am retarded.

PokerBob

06-25-2005, 02:50 AM

villain here is 54/10/1.8. Now what?

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, MP raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 2 folds, MP calls.

Flop: (7.40 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP calls.

Turn: (4.70 BB) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, MP caps, Hero says MOTHERFUCKER and does what?

I realized that I really screwed up here. I called. The river was an A. He bet. I called. He showed me A3o. I am not smart.

Grisgra

06-25-2005, 04:11 AM

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Calls. You've almost always got 6 outs here.

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So, so wrong it's just sad.

Grisgra

06-25-2005, 04:13 AM

It happens. I would have called down after the checkraise, figuring I was screwed. After he caps, you can safely fold without a second thought -- this is 5/10.

kiddo

06-25-2005, 07:47 AM

If he only raises 10% preflop it would be very hard to put him on anything but same K as you. Or maybe, maybe, 555.

But he raises A3o from MP? This cant be right. I dont even raise A3o from CO and I raise 17%.

With position I would call turncheckraise and raise river if isnt flushcard. If he is bluffing - which he will be pretty often with only 1 high card on board, trying to make u fold - u will win 1 more BB when he bluffs river and he will 3bet river less often then he will cap turn with a good but not extremly good hand as 2pair.

Also, if he is checkraising the flushdraw u will normally get 3BB out of him anyway. If u 3bet he will checkfold river, if u only call he will bluffbet river.

Entity

06-25-2005, 11:43 AM

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Calls. You've almost always got 6 outs here.

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So, so wrong it's just sad.

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Read my later post. I think you've got 4 outs often enough to call still, getting 11.7:1, but I could be wrong. He's going to have AK occasionally, a worse hand rarely but occasionally (54/10 + 1.8 is very aggressive). You've got 3 outs against A3o but it's sufficiently rare given a 10% PFR player from MP, and you've got 6 outs against AA (4 to a chop, so you can discount them to 4 outs if you want), you're chopping with AK, and you've got 4 outs against KK.

He'd need to have A3o significantly more than any other holding for this to be a fold, right? My 6 outs estimate was off but I don't see how this is easy getting 11.7:1.

Entity

06-25-2005, 01:50 PM

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Calls. You've almost always got 6 outs here.

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So, so wrong it's just sad.

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Read my later post. I think you've got 4 outs often enough to call still, getting 11.7:1, but I could be wrong. He's going to have AK occasionally, a worse hand rarely but occasionally (54/10 + 1.8 is very aggressive). You've got 3 outs against A3o but it's sufficiently rare given a 10% PFR player from MP, and you've got 6 outs against AA (4 to a chop, so you can discount them to 4 outs if you want), you're chopping with AK, and you've got 4 outs against KK.

He'd need to have A3o significantly more than any other holding for this to be a fold, right? My 6 outs estimate was off but I don't see how this is easy getting 11.7:1.

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Ick. This post is wrong. You've got 1.5 outs against A3 tehcnically, 4 against AA, 4 against KK, and you'll occasionally but pretty rarely be ahead after his cap. I did the math while cycling this morning. I don't mind folding to a cap.