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Willluck
06-24-2005, 04:23 PM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero...???

Cumulonimbus
06-24-2005, 04:27 PM
I'd probably stare at the screen until I timed out.

toss
06-24-2005, 04:29 PM
Hahahaah.

Nick C
06-24-2005, 04:31 PM
Yikes. I don't know.

He could've just picked up a draw (though if that draw is A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif or something, you're still beat). Or maybe he has just a weak ace, or he's being straightforward with a turned two pair (or even a straight).

I don't really have a big problem with just folding here, in this small pot. But I can see myself calling too, and I suppose a raise-fold free-showdown line is maybe also something to consider.

To be honest, there's a good chance that what I'd do is just call down, expecting to lose.

Edit: The more I think about the raise-fold free-showdown line, the less I like it here. Villain has donkbet once already, for instance, and it would be annoying to face another one on the river. I doubt he's folding to a turn raise. And if by some chance he did just pick up a draw on the turn, he might bet it again on the river unimproved anyway.

thejameser
06-24-2005, 04:33 PM
to an unknown i would call down.

W. Deranged
06-24-2005, 04:39 PM
Fold.

1. The pot is small. Your effective odds are 5.75 to 2 or
~3 to 1 whether you call down or raise the turn and check behind on the river (I doubt raising the turn and betting the river is much of an option now). You need to be confident that you are ahead 25% of the time to take either line, which I don't think will be the case. I'd fold, because calling down in a tiny pot to get shown A6 would suck.

2. The bet is so strange that it can only represent either extreme craftiness (unlikely) or extreme donkishness. Most often it will be the latter. In my experience, usually this bet is an extremely obvious one (which good players would not likely consider). Namely, the donk is betting out because they made two pair on the turn. The play represents either some kind of (real or attempted) sophistication of play or total lack of sophistication of play, and good players are surprised to see such bizarrely straightforward play. Since the donk bet is so likely to be that (in my opinion), a fold is in order.

ecooke
06-24-2005, 04:39 PM
That 6 /images/graemlins/spade.gif puts a lot of draws on the board and the turn bet is bit disorientiting. With an A I'd expect a turn c/r. So, I raise and check the River behind.

akvsaq
06-24-2005, 04:40 PM
No read, I'll call down.
Passive and predictable- I'd raise turn/free show on river fold to 3 bet.
Aggressive player- call down.
Rock- Fold, pot is not that big and he probably has you beat.

aK13
06-24-2005, 04:45 PM
I'd call down, and get my notes ready.

Willluck
06-24-2005, 05:30 PM
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I'd probably stare at the screen until I timed out.

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That's basically what I almost did.

dblgutshot
06-24-2005, 05:34 PM
Expect a turn check-raise with an ace? Seriously?

shant
06-24-2005, 05:34 PM
This same thing happened to me in a limit SNG last night. I had JJ. Board was near identical with flush card hitting the turn. I called turn and non-flush river and was shown AT. However, the preflop action was different, since he raised and I 3-bet, but I still think this is a wierdly played A a majority of the time, and the pot isn't big enough to try and find out for sure.