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Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-24-2005, 09:31 AM

How would you have played these hands? Some hands I won, some I lost, but even if I won I want to know if I played hand correctly or was my luck box working over-time.

I hope these are not too many hands (8) to post to get feedback... (at Kyro's advive I delete several hands, thanks Kyro)

Please use this quote in your reply to assist in evaluation:

Hand 1 K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif Hand 5 K/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hand 2 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif Hand 6 Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hand 3 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif Hand 7 K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Hand 4 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif Hand 8 K/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Hand 1
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t730)
MP1 (t995)
MP2 (t470)
Hero (t1395)
CO (t1180)
Button (t940)
SB (t735)
BB (t725)
UTG (t830)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises to t120, 2 folds, SB calls t105, 1 fold.

Flop: (t270) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets t30, Hero raises to t120, SB calls t90.

Turn: (t510) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets t125, Hero calls t125.

River: (t760) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets t370 (All-In), Hero calls t370.

Final Pot: t1500

Hand 2
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t730)
CO (t310)
Button (t695)
Hero (t1395)
BB (t1180)
UTG (t940)
UTG+1 (t1300)
MP1 (t620)
MP2 (t830)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 5 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t200, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t200.

Turn: (t550) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t300, UTG+1 raises to t1050 (All-In), Hero calls t750.

River: (t2650) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2650

Hand 3
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t580)
Button (t160)
Hero (t385)
BB (t1185)
UTG (t915)
UTG+1 (t2580)
MP1 (t420)
MP2 (t1775)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of t100.
1 fold, UTG calls t100, UTG+1 calls t100, 4 folds, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (t300) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t285 (All-In), UTG calls t285, UTG+1 calls t285.

Turn: (t1155) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (t1155) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets t100, UTG+1 raises to t700, UTG calls t430 (All-In).

Final Pot: t2385

Hand 4 - villain does not have many chips left...
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1235)
SB (t465)
Hero (t1800)
UTG (t1700)
MP1 (t620)
MP2 (t705)
CO (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
5 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to t400, SB raises to t465 (All-In), Hero calls t65.

Flop: (t930) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t930) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t930) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t930

Hand 5
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1235)
Button (t930)
Hero (t1335)
BB (t1700)
UTG (t620)
MP1 (t705)
MP2 (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, CO raises to t1235 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero raises to t1335 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t2770) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2770) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2770) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2770

Hand 6
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t700)
Hero (t2770)
UTG (t3105)
Button (t1425)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, SB raises to t700 (All-In), Hero calls t400.

Flop: (t1400) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1400) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1400) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1400

Hand 7
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t4220)
Button (t1830)
SB (t1950)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, SB raises to t1950 (All-In), Hero calls t1550.

Flop: (t3900) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3900) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3900) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3900

Hand 8
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t500 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1790)
SB (t1310)
BB (t4900)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to t1790 (All-In), SB calls t1060 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t3600) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3600) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3600) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3600

kyro

06-24-2005, 09:44 AM

Wayyyy too many hands. Just post a couple a day and hopefully learning how to play those will help you learn how to play others. Very few are going to take the time to critique 13 hands.

45suited

06-24-2005, 09:57 AM

OKAY, MY COMMENTS MAKE NO SENSE BECAUSE YOU EDITED YOUR ORIGINAL POST. MY ANSWERS NO LONGER MATCH THE QUESTIONS...

1) Fold pre-flop. Q9 in the CO? Why are you limping after two limpers? Makes no sense.

2) Why did you call him down all the way? You had ace high. Don't overplay AK when the blinds are low.

3) I probably would've just folded preflop with 59s after one limper, but once you completed, I think your line looks fine.

4) I don't understand how you checked from the SB. If you were SB, I would've folded pre-flop.

5) Fold your AQ pre-flop here. UTG raised 43% of his stack. He is either a complete moron or has a monster and wants action. You still have over 11BB and don't need to get involved here.

6) This hand is interesting. I think that the case could actually be made for just completing with your 8s. You have zero FE against the 3 limpers, so you're guaranteed to be playing your pair of 8s against 3 other players. Of course you will be down to t275 (just under 2BB) so that might be stupid too. Just a thought, probably wrong on my part though. The math probably says just push and take your chances, but I've come back from 2BB many times, so???

7) I'd just push pre-flop. Some morons might fold.

8) Unless CO was a maniac, I'd fold pre-flop.

9) Good fold.

10) Looks fine.

11) Looks fine.

12) I probably would just push pre-flop. The blinds are huge and worth winning. Bet after he checks the flop. Once he bet the river, I'd call like you did.

13) Good push.

Page Jacobson

06-24-2005, 10:03 AM

These are just IMHO. I'm no expert.

1- I fold Q9o preflop this early
2- Why call the river. You have nothing
3- I fold preflop
4- I agree. You saw the flop for free and have a decent draw.
5- Why risk half your stack on a coinflip here?
6- I agree
7- Fold preflop. I would never call or raise here
8- Fold preflop
9- I agree
10- I call here too. SB is desperate
11- I call as well
12- Why call?
13- I agree. KJ is strong here

Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-24-2005, 10:09 AM

[ QUOTE ]
Wayyyy too many hands. Just post a couple a day and hopefully learning how to play those will help you learn how to play others. Very few are going to take the time to critique 13 hands.

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At Kyro's advice I deleted several hands... I need your feedback! thanks

Ixnert

06-24-2005, 10:15 AM

General thought: most players at the 11s don't bluff nearly as much as you seem to think they do. Early on, at least, you mostly just want to bet when you have a hand, and let them pay you off when they've got second best (and don't worry, most of them will).

A couple of specific hands:

Hand 2: What do you gain by calling down with your unimproved AK? Has villain done anything to make you think he's betting out at every opportunity with *absolutely* nothing? All you have working for you here is folding equity, and you don't have any of that calling the hand down. If you're determined to keep going with the hand, re-raise the turn (and be prepared to fold to a 3-bet).

Hand 3: I realize it worked out for you, but why the push? With your stack at the size it is, any ace and any pair is going to call you, and you're way behind either. Even considering the blinds, I think your chances are better either pushing pre-flop and hoping for an unlikely but possible steal, or check/folding on the flop and pray for a better hand in the next 6 or so than a 6:1 or so gutshot draw.

Hand 12: Why not bet out (maybe 750?) after SB checks the flop? Would let you find out where you stand, might get you the pot right there. Your read indicates you think it might be a trap, but the worst that happens is that it costs you on the flop (if he re-raises) instead of on the river.

Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-24-2005, 10:18 AM

[ QUOTE ]
OKAY, MY COMMENTS MAKE NO SENSE BECAUSE YOU EDITED YOUR ORIGINAL POST. MY ANSWERS NO LONGER MATCH THE QUESTIONS...

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sorry - I did not even think anyone was going to take time to reply based on Kyro's response and I was happily surprised to see your response. I probably should have started a new thread w/ less questions and deleted current thread...

Dr_Jeckyl_00

06-24-2005, 01:08 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Wayyyy too many hands. Just post a couple a day and hopefully learning how to play those will help you learn how to play others. Very few are going to take the time to critique 13 hands.

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Kyro - I cut some hands out, how about an evaluation! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

pooh74

06-24-2005, 01:38 PM

Ill post comments after each hand...

[ QUOTE ]
How would you have played these hands? Some hands I won, some I lost, but even if I won I want to know if I played hand correctly or was my luck box working over-time.

I hope these are not too many hands (8) to post to get feedback... (at Kyro's advive I delete several hands, thanks Kyro)

Please use this quote in your reply to assist in evaluation:

Hand 1 K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif A/images/graemlins/spade.gif Hand 5 K/images/graemlins/club.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hand 2 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif Hand 6 Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif 3/images/graemlins/club.gif
Hand 3 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif Hand 7 K/images/graemlins/spade.gif A/images/graemlins/heart.gif
Hand 4 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif Hand 8 K/images/graemlins/heart.gif J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

Hand 1
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t730)
MP1 (t995)
MP2 (t470)
Hero (t1395)
CO (t1180)
Button (t940)
SB (t735)
BB (t725)
UTG (t830)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
4 folds, Hero raises to t120, 2 folds, SB calls t105, 1 fold.

Flop: (t270) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets t30, Hero raises to t120, SB calls t90.

Turn: (t510) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets t125, Hero calls t125.

River: (t760) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets t370 (All-In), Hero calls t370.

Final Pot: t1500

[/ QUOTE ] Looks good until the turn. The underbet on the flop by villain could be a probe or stregnth. However, you need to know which, good raise...however, calling the turn with A high is horrible...you're done. [ QUOTE ]

Hand 2
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t730)
CO (t310)
Button (t695)
Hero (t1395)
BB (t1180)
UTG (t940)
UTG+1 (t1300)
MP1 (t620)
MP2 (t830)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 5 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t200, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t200.

Turn: (t550) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t300, UTG+1 raises to t1050 (All-In), Hero calls t750.

River: (t2650) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2650

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Looks good [ QUOTE ]

Hand 3
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t580)
Button (t160)
Hero (t385)
BB (t1185)
UTG (t915)
UTG+1 (t2580)
MP1 (t420)
MP2 (t1775)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif. Hero posts a blind of t100.
1 fold, UTG calls t100, UTG+1 calls t100, 4 folds, Hero (poster) checks.

Flop: (t300) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets t285 (All-In), UTG calls t285, UTG+1 calls t285.

Turn: (t1155) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (t1155) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
UTG bets t100, UTG+1 raises to t700, UTG calls t430 (All-In).

Final Pot: t2385

[/ QUOTE ]

Are you the BB here? converter messed up maybe...if you are SB I'd fold and push any two next hand. If you're BB I might push PF and hope UTG would fear UTG+1's large stack and feel squeezed and fold...head's up with 54o isnt optimal, but its MUCH better than 3 way action. with 385 left, there's not much you can do wrong at that point. [ QUOTE ]

Hand 4 - villain does not have many chips left...
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1235)
SB (t465)
Hero (t1800)
UTG (t1700)
MP1 (t620)
MP2 (t705)
CO (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
5 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to t400, SB raises to t465 (All-In), Hero calls t65.

Flop: (t930) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t930) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t930) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t930

[/ QUOTE ]

You have no FE here bc SB is so low...so why not check and see a flop? [ QUOTE ]

Hand 5
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1235)
Button (t930)
Hero (t1335)
BB (t1700)
UTG (t620)
MP1 (t705)
MP2 (t1475)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
3 folds, CO raises to t1235 (All-In), 1 fold, Hero raises to t1335 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t2770) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t2770) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t2770) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t2770

Hand 6
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t700)
Hero (t2770)
UTG (t3105)
Button (t1425)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif.
2 folds, SB raises to t700 (All-In), Hero calls t400.

Flop: (t1400) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t1400) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t1400) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t1400

Hand 7
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t4220)
Button (t1830)
SB (t1950)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, SB raises to t1950 (All-In), Hero calls t1550.

Flop: (t3900) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: (t3900) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t3900) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t3900

Hand 8
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t500 (3 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero (t1790)
SB (t1310)
BB (t4900)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises to t1790 (All-In), SB calls t1060 (All-In), 1 fold.

Flop: (t3600) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3600) 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3600) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t3600

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I gotta get back to work...comment more later perhaps.