Crushing SNG's

[Vertigo50]

Ok, you'll probably think this is a stupid question, but everyone talks about "crushing SNG's".

So what do you consider to be "crushing SNG's"?

Is it a certain ROI? A certain ITM?

I'm sure it's somewhat different for everyone, I'm just wondering when you would consider yourself to be crushing them.

[faquewdikhed]

one million percent ROI /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Vertigo50]

Hey faq, how's it going? How are things at that "other" forum?

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[Isura]

As long as I'm getting better, and my bankroll is slowly going up, I am happy for now.

[flyingmoose]

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one million percent ROI /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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I have sustained this ROI over 595420590245902592592905925252045205024952 6+1s. I just haven't moved up because... because shut up, that's why!!

[ZBTHorton]

What buy-in are you playing?

[Blarg]

When I can defeat the Tao Lung Gang's secret Phoenix Eye Fist to avenge my master's murder while 8-tabling blindfolded and cramming sticky buns in my mouth.

[pergesu]

If you can't crush SNGs then you suck at poker and at life. That's all I know.

[ilya]

I would say you're "crushing" SnGs if you're at

20%+ at the $20s, $30s, or $50s

15%+ at the $100s or $200s.

[Shillx]

SHHHHHHHHHHH!

All you micro guys better not be following me around....

[kyro]

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When I can defeat the Tao Lung Gang's secret Phoenix Eye Fist to avenge my master's murder while 8-tabling blindfolded and cramming sticky buns in my mouth.

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Nice image.

OP, 20% is generally considered "crushing" up to the $109s and on. I don't know about much further.

[kyro]

I'd move up to the $215s right now since you're a poker god. seriously..

[zambonidrivr]

i played 10 last night.

finished 1st in 3
second in 4
Out of money in 3.

i think that is pretty much crushing

[kyro]

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i played 10 last night.

finished 1st in 3
second in 4
Out of money in 3.

i think that is pretty much crushing

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I played in 4 last night.

1st place - 3
2nd place - 1

THAT'S crushing.

[45suited]

I played one this morning.

1st place: 1

Is this a sustainable ROI? /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[imcastleman]

My ROI in the last 98 109's is 67%. I'd say that I am "crushing sit n go's" right now. I fully expect that to change, but hopefully not too soon.

[4T25Q85]

After 42 $5+1 2TT, I have an ROI of 135%,

1st:6
2nd:6
3rd:6
4th:5
OTM:uhhh....42 minus the numbers up there.

My sample size is so big that its clear variance has evened itself out, so this ROI is in fact my true win rate.

suck it bitches /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Sponger15SB]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/Sponger15aa/SNGstats.jpg

[45suited]

You really have to do something about that win % on the 11s. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

No, seriously... WOW. You rock.

[4T25Q85]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/Sponger15aa/SNGstats.jpg

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HOLY SH!T DUDE!!!!!!!!!! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

what are you using to track your performance?

[tminus]

yes i agree, you are a waste of skin and should go stare at the sun....

what the hell?

[Degen]

when you laugh to yourself constantly at how much money you are making playing poker on the internet

[pergesu]

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I'd move up to the $215s right now since you're a poker god. seriously..

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I was way drunk and way stoned when I wrote that post.

But thanks for the vote of confidence /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TheNoodleMan]

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/Sponger15aa/SNGstats.jpg

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HOLY SH!T DUDE!!!!!!!!!! /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

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HOLY SH!T is right. You must have a major leak in your heads up play!

[kyro]

Good catch. Sponger. Quit poker, and buy a book. Read it. Don't start playing again until you understand it.

[tminus]

Good God, is this for real ?

Why does this include only 100 games ?

[2+2 Junkie]

All right, I am new to SNG's. I have been playing all limit poker. I know that the limit game has a bible, known as Small Stakes Hold E'm. Is there a definitive book for SNG's?

[microbet]

You had a post in the 37 buyin downswing about how you dropped a certain amount and then finished up 6 buyins or something in a day and you played 70 tourneys that day 8-tabling.

Maybe that was all in the $6s the $55s or something, but it seems kinda hard to fit that day into your stats there. Also, you might have just been being silly with this post.

[TheNoodleMan]

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All right, I am new to SNG's. I have been playing all limit poker. I know that the limit game has a bible, known as Small Stakes Hold E'm. Is there a definitive book for SNG's?

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The realy isn't a book, but this forum will has everything you need to know.
start with this (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=singletable&Number=1918735 &fpart=1&PHPSESSID=)

[eMarkM]

Get both Harrington on Hold'em books. They are the best NLHE tourney books around, bar none, and he covers many STT situations.

Having said that, no where else on this website or anywhere on the web or in print publications has there been more ground-breaking poker theory developed than on this forum that goes even beyond what Harrington covers. A world of information is within these pages. There are also a number of tools created here in support of those theories and if you want to get really serious you'd do yourself a big favor in investing in some of them.

[Nato76]

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Get both Harrington on Hold'em books. They are the best NLHE tourney books around, bar none, and he covers many STT situations.

Having said that, no where else on this website or anywhere on the web or in print publications has there been more ground-breaking poker theory developed than on this forum that goes even beyond what Harrington covers. A world of information is within these pages. There are also a number of tools created here in support of those theories and if you want to get really serious you'd do yourself a big favor in investing in some of them.

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What are some of the tools that you personally use and find helpful?

[Isura]

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SHHHHHHHHHHH!

All you micro guys better not be following me around....

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I'm staying at the 11s for a about 100 more. Getting owned too much by people like you at the 22s. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[eMarkM]

You can look in the response from NoodleMan for the link to the favs thread. There's tracking software for your ITM/ROI, the ICM calculator and eastbay's commerical product, the SGA or SNGPT.

[gumpzilla]

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Maybe that was all in the $6s the $55s or something, but it seems kinda hard to fit that day into your stats there. Also, you might have just been being silly with this post.

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How it is that people can come on here and routinely get flamed for wondering if a 40% ROI is sustainable yet people can seriously consider that this Pokertracker screenshot represents a complete sample of Sponger's SNGs is beyond me.

[45suited]

I would never assume that it is a complete sample of all his SNGs, maybe just a short term incredible run under a specific screen name...

[gumpzilla]

What do you think the chances are if you're a 40% ITM player of having a 100 consecutive game period where you're ITM 80% of the time? Make a guess, I'll work it out and get back to you.

EDIT: I have the answer, but I'd be curious to see a few people guess first.

[Blarg]

Gump is right, and I was just as surprised as he was.

Pokertracker auto-imports SNG's in a weird way and doesn't count finishes correctly. Pretty much anyone's imported SNG's are going to show like a 165% ROI.

I guess a lot of players don't have Pokertracker here or have never tried importing with it. Try it yourself and thrill to your own 170% or 220% ROI as it imports only 7 out of 30 games and maybe even those incorrectly.

Manually importing the tourney histories supposedly helps straighten things out.

[octaveshift]

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Make a guess, I'll work it out and get back to you.

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6%

[gumpzilla]

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6%

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For reference, this is slightly smaller than the likelihood that you will cash in 40 of 100 straight games with an ITM of 40%.

We have 100 games to play. In each game, you'll either cash (with probability .4), or not cash, (with probability .6). We are interested in cashing 80 times. There are 100! / (80! * 20!) ways to choose which 80 games we cash in, and then we need to multiply by the probability of cashing in each of those 80 games (.4^80) and the probability of not cashing in the other 20 (.6^20). So, the number is

(100! / (80! * 20!)) * (.4^80) * (.6^20)

Evaluating this, we get 2.864 * 10^-16. For some perspective:

- This is less probable than a theoretically average player coming in first 15 games in a row.
- This is less probable than a 40% ITM player cashing in only 5 games out of 100 straight.
- It's really, really unlikely.

Here's a plot of probability of getting x cashes over 100 straight games as a 40% ITM player:

http://img143.echo.cx/img143/4335/sngplot8dj.jpg

As you can see, the likelihood that you'll get more than 60 or less than 20 is pretty small.

[treeofwisdom7]

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Gump is right, and I was just as surprised as he was.

Pokertracker auto-imports SNG's in a weird way and doesn't count finishes correctly. Pretty much anyone's imported SNG's are going to show like a 165% ROI.

I guess a lot of players don't have Pokertracker here or have never tried importing with it. Try it yourself and thrill to your own 170% or 220% ROI as it imports only 7 out of 30 games and maybe even those incorrectly.

Manually importing the tourney histories supposedly helps straighten things out.

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my roi is over 200%.. WOOT WOOT

[Nato76]

Kinda like in poker prophecy. I checked my stats and it labeled me a "pro". WTF? I haven't won 50% of the SnG's.