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11t
06-23-2005, 06:25 PM
This is a hand from a 20+2 PL tournament on PS. Villain had been moved to my table several orbits ago and had routinely been limping from EP but had yet to show down what he had been limping with. Anyways I assume he is limping with trash and the following hand ensues.

This is on the bubble btw and I have shown down nothing but solid hands. Any comments are appreciated.

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t36501)
MP2 (t7246)
CO (t14278)
Hero (t12392)
SB (t13992)
BB (t11378)
UTG (t4065)
UTG+1 (t15811)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t600, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t2400</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t4065</font>, Hero calls t1665.

locutus2002
06-23-2005, 06:39 PM
Hero folds PF.

What range did you have UTG on when you raised and what do you think he'll lay down?

My guess is he's not laying anything down in his range.

BettyBoopAA
06-23-2005, 06:41 PM
what's the question?
This looks like revenge of the limper. Someone who limps and keeps getting raised eventually will stop limping or will come to this conclusion: if I know if I limp I will be raised then going forward I will only limp in with a really big hand, my guess is your in bad shape.

11t
06-23-2005, 06:42 PM
I'd say his limping range is around any two broadway cards, anything below a-t, suited connectors 56s+, and any pair below 77

Of course I'd also say AA and KK are possibilities.

smoore
06-23-2005, 06:43 PM
yeah... "Next on FOX... When Limpers Attack!"

j00 got busted.

11t
06-23-2005, 06:45 PM
Nobody has raised his limps yet.

11t
06-23-2005, 06:46 PM
Who says I lost this hand?

smoore
06-23-2005, 07:03 PM
uh, nobody. Unless you think A8o is a legitimate raising hand, you still got busted. Lighten up, chief.

11t
06-23-2005, 07:05 PM
Yah I definitely was not a fan of going to the felt with that hand, the guy coincidentally flipped over KQ I was just wondering if I should have just mucked even if I knew what he had.

DireWolf
06-23-2005, 07:12 PM
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Yah I definitely was not a fan of going to the felt with that hand, the guy coincidentally flipped over KQ I was just wondering if I should have just mucked even if I knew what he had.

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If you knew he had KQ? I would hope you call.

smoore
06-23-2005, 07:15 PM
I can't muck it there, but I'm no MTT guru... off the top of my head you're getting better than 3.5:1 holding an ace, you won't be hurt much by this call if you do lose and you have a chance to bust the limper (I automatically label him a bad player) with no further decisions required. Clear call, IMO but I'm not happy as I click "call", I expect to see a PP at the least. I don't know WHAT that guy was thinking limp/reraising into the chip leader with KQ, even suited. Mark him donk, I suppose.

11t
06-23-2005, 07:22 PM
Well like 3 orbits earlier this hand happened

PokerStars Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP2 (t25381)
MP3 (t7146)
CO (t6260)
Hero (t13692)
SB (t11892)
BB (t11078)
UTG (t3660)
UTG+1 (t6665)
MP1 (t16811)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t400, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls t400, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t1600) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t800</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t2400

Of course I didnt KNOW what he had, but is just limping on the button the best idea when I am pretty confident that my hand is a marginal favorite against his? Of course I fold to any action from the blinds.

Thanks for any comments, I'm just really tryiing to improve my MTT game.