is the cap on the 1/2 nl games in Foxwoods really $100?

[sexypanda]

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...and if so, does that mean I have to just sit and nut peddle? I really don't see how 25 big bets is a reasonable cap?

[BigSkiRace]

I dont either this is the same at Turning Stone, you really can not play the game with this cap, You really cant out play some one.

[pshreck]

Yes its 100, and yes you have to nut peddle a bit.

However, there are situations when you have JJ, and its made 20 from UTG, with 4 callers to you, and you can safely push 100 into the pot. The fact (or likely fact) that this is the loosest baby NL game in the country makes it very beatable.

[stinkypete]

"nut peddling" is not the word. top pair will do postflop. you just need to play very tight preflop if there's a lot of stupid raising, since there's no implied odds.

[sirtimo]

1. Buy in for $100
2. Wait till you get a big pocket pair, set, or TPTK.
3. Poooooooush.
4. Profit.

If you miss your shot, rebuy, rinse, and repeat

[CountDuckula]

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...and if so, does that mean I have to just sit and nut peddle? I really don't see how 25 big bets is a reasonable cap?

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If the BB is $2, $100 is 50 BBs. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Mike

[dicelumpY2005]

You gotta remember, too..this is a game that collects $5 every half hour from the players instead of a rake...pretty much if you're playing tight, 10% of your starting stack is gone every hour...

[nycplayer]

Big Bet != Big Blind

[AKQJ10]

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You gotta remember, too..this is a game that collects $5 every half hour from the players instead of a rake...pretty much if you're playing tight, 10% of your starting stack is gone every hour...

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Been there, done that.

As a NL newbie, I'm trying to use Miller's short stack strategy. It makes perfect sense -- I really suck postflop -- but the $10/hour eats me alive.

Oh, and since I buy in for $40, I don't care what the limit is. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jurollo]

You can buy in for $100, tip the dealer or post a blind then rebuy for $40 more (or $60 I forget exactly which one). So it is really $140 (or $160)
~Justin

[AKQJ10]

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You can buy in for $100, tip the dealer or post a blind then rebuy for $40 more (or $60 I forget exactly which one). So it is really $140 (or $160)
~Justin

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Nope, you're backwards. You have to buy in for $40, post a blind (I don't think they'll let you toke in this situation but you might get away with it), then rebuy for $100. You're not allowed to rebuy until you're at $39 or less.

[Durs522]

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You gotta remember, too..this is a game that collects $5 every half hour from the players instead of a rake...pretty much if you're playing tight, 10% of your starting stack is gone every hour...

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Some people find it advantageous to pay the $5 time charge out of pocket, that way your stack doesn't diminish if you're playing tight.

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You can buy in for $100, tip the dealer or post a blind then rebuy for $40 more (or $60 I forget exactly which one). So it is really $140 (or $160)
~Justin

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Nope, you're backwards. You have to buy in for $40, post a blind (I don't think they'll let you toke in this situation but you might get away with it), then rebuy for $100. You're not allowed to rebuy until you're at $39 or less.

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I've seen numerous occassions where players buy in for $40, tip the dealer a buck, and then put a $100 bill under their stack. Nobody has ever said a thing about this being a problem.

Durs

[AKQJ10]

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Some people find it advantageous to pay the $5 time charge out of pocket, that way your stack doesn't diminish if you're playing tight.

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They aren't really consistent about this, but I've been told that I'm not allowed to pay the $5 out of my stack. I thought that was ridiculous (obviously, at the time I wasn't playing short stacks) but that's what the floor said.

Of course inconsistencies at Foxwoods are nothing new. I'm not people have had success toking the dealer to get to $39, and I honestly don't remember if they ever said anything explicitly about it. I may have just imagined that.

But everyone pretty much now looks for the 40+100 trick, so it really confuses everyone when I buy in for $40 and then don't rebuy.

[SDA004]

just go down there and play it. it's very profitable no matter what the buy in cap is

[captswifty]

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I dont either this is the same at Turning Stone, you really can not play the game with this cap, You really cant out play some one.

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It's not all that bad, the casino closest to my house has a $100 max buy-in game with $2/$5 blinds. On the weekends they run a no limit game with $5/$10 blinds, the maximum buy-in is $200. I've tried to talk to management about changing this, but it hasn't worked, so I don't play in it. I'd be happy to play in a game with $1/$2 blinds with a $100 cap.

[zombies kill]

ive said it before and ill say it again.... if youre good enough you can make over $30/hr at the foxwoods 1/2. and thats after the time charge and tips. and yes, i mean long term. the incredibly unusual play of most of the people and the tiny initial stacks make for some interesting caveats, but figure them out and play with optimum strategy and the potential for $ skyrockets. if you make the proper adjustments, you can be confident youll be playing much differently and therefor better than every other person at the table.

and a hint...... the proper strategy for this game is about as far away from 2+2 as you can get. playing with a proper and studious mentality can actually result in a loss.

[Ghazban]

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...playing with a proper and studious mentality can actually result in a loss.

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No

[sirtimo]

notes from my last foxwoods trip-

Starting roll-$550
Time played- 29.5 hrs
Ending roll- $1685

net + $1135

Net is after estimated $80-$100 in tips and the whopping $295 in time charge

[tpir90036]

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Big Bet != Big Blind

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And what exactly is a big bet in a no-limit game? I have never heard people talk about NL stacks in anything other than multiples of the big blind. Yes, the BB != BB is confusing.... but whatever.

[TM1212]

In Nl stacks are evaluated in terms of Big Blinds! Simply because there is no big bet. 50 bb are plenty for a NL ring game. I believe the situation was confused by the first poster who said 25 bb.

Also paying 5 for a half hour is almost exactly the same as the 3 dollar rake at most other casinos. Its beatable, but not for 30 an hour, 15 to 20 maybe. Also, its not like any of you foxwoods player actually toke.

[zombies kill]

in the foxwoods 1/2, definitely yes. its not even a question

[PeeWeeH]

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you can be confident youll be playing much differently and therefor better than every other person at the table.

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So if I were to play with poop instead of chips I would, by definition, be better than everyone else at the table?

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and a hint...... the proper strategy for this game is about as far away from 2+2 as you can get. playing with a proper and studious mentality can actually result in a loss.

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LOL B&M is rigged you donk.

peewee

[Ghazban]

Explain to me how "playing with a proper and studious mentality can actually result in a loss." I play this game almost every weekend and am up a good chunk of change over the past 6 months. Playing like a nit and giving opponents too much credit can cut into your bottom line but part of "playing with a proper and studious mentality" involves identifying your opponents' playing styles and adjusting properly. I can't think of any poker game anywhere where "playing with a proper and studious mentality" is suboptimal.

[AKQJ10]

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Also paying 5 for a half hour is almost exactly the same as the 3 dollar rake at most other casinos.

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That's true, unless you're playing very tight. When you're throwing away hand after hand, that $10 an hour gets kind of frustrating.

I'm a newbie to the Foxwoods $1-2 NL (about -$150 after 45 hrs); I know NLHE has much less variance than LHE but at what point does my small sample become not a small sample?

[PITTM]

northern california NL games have the horrendous rule that the blinds are 1/2 but you MUST come in for 4 if youre going to play, which actually does make it 25 whatever unit you would use to describe that. i miss vegas a lot. i got a notice saying i had enough frequent flier miles for a free ticket yesterday too, this could result in spur of the moment vegas trip, and by vegas i mean excaliber /images/graemlins/smile.gif

rj

[PITTM]

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ive said it before and ill say it again.... if youre good enough you can make over $30/hr at the foxwoods 1/2. and thats after the time charge and tips. and yes, i mean long term. the incredibly unusual play of most of the people and the tiny initial stacks make for some interesting caveats, but figure them out and play with optimum strategy and the potential for $ skyrockets. if you make the proper adjustments, you can be confident youll be playing much differently and therefor better than every other person at the table.

and a hint...... the proper strategy for this game is about as far away from 2+2 as you can get. playing with a proper and studious mentality can actually result in a loss.

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do you know what the word "proper" means? proper is a relative term that applies to the situation. there is obviously a "proper" way to play this game that may vary from tighter games. not too crazy...

rj

[zombies kill]

when i say "proper" play.... i mean playing with the conventional "2+2" style. of course adjusting to your oppenents can never be detrimental, i mean proper in more of the book sense.

solid, tight play does work, but to truly make money at this particular game, you really have to think out of the box and throw a lot of the book knowledge out the window. to illustrate what i mean, think to your past where youve seen someone you didnt know make a really oddball play that happened to work. because you didnt know them, you were unsure whether they were extremely good or extremely bad. that is the essense of this game. to capable onlookers, if youre playing and A game, there are gonna be times you look like a potential idiot.

to be a winner at this game, it takes tight solid play. to be a $30+/hr winner, it takes an extreme amount of imagination and individual player adjustment.

and whenever i use that particular $ amount, people dispute it. but its a fact... and i am only speaking for the foxwoods 1/2, no other game.

[zombies kill]

oh and what do you look like.... im sure weve played together before at least once

[Ghazban]

If you've played with me, you've seen the card protector in my avatar.

Out of curiosity, how many hours are included in your $30/hour winrate?

[LoosenUp]

I play foxwoods 10/20. I have sat the 1/2 many times the game is a nightmare. Just a college slop luck feast. You start to short, the fee is to high 5$ on the half. If you want NL @ foxwoods you have to play the 5/5 in my opinion.

[celticGreen]

I totally disagree /w the people who are saying outright that the 1/2 is unbeatable because of the $10/hr and the buy-in. I feel like it's quite beatable in fact, with relatively straight forward play. I'll admit that my sample size is probably smaller than most (25-30 sessions, 8+ hrs each, over the last 32 months). I generally try not to get too cute and it seems to work out -- the nice thing about the game is, a lot of the players don't like to fold, so when you have the best hand, you can usually get paid off well.

-Josh

[AKQJ10]

Can anyone answer my question from before:

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...[A]t what point does my small sample become not a small sample?

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In other words how big a variance should I expect in this game? How many hours would be enough of a sample that I should worry about my lack of NL skills?

[KenProspero]

I've played in both those games. They're beatable. You just have to remember that your $100 buy in isn't your whole stake. Be prepared to rebuy. The only time it really hurts you is when you (or your opp) is all in, which is appreciable, but not that serious.

Turning Stone also has a 1/2 with a 200 buy in, but the lines are longer, and the competition a little harder. Turning Stone 1/2 100 is a raked game, not a time charge game.