Sour Grapes? I get tired of draw downs!

[stragf]

Lately, it seems as though there a great number of crappy hands that I get taken out on in SNG's. Does this happen to others? The following is an example, and I can give others. Here, he was holding a king, but I would never chase with his hand. Take a look, and let me know. I just get po'd when crap hands seem to fairly consistently draw out on top pairs I hold. Maybe I'm just paranoid....
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1228)
SB (t855)
Hero (t1372)
UTG (t1910)
MP1 :#A500AF(pollydog)/ (t1763)
MP2 (t132)
CO (t740)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 :#A500AF(pollydog)/ calls t200, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t600) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t600) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t600) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t600

Pollydog called my AI with K7, and hits two pair to take me down.
Makes me nuts! Oh, by the way, this next one was final hand in HU play in another tourney....

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to GFS309 [ Ac, Ah ]
BigStreeze1 raises (850) to 1000
GFS309 raises (1400) to 1700
BigStreeze1 raises (4630) to 5630
BigStreeze1 is all-In.
GFS309 calls (670)
GFS309 is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $4740 with GFS309
Creating Side Pot 1 with $3260 with BigStreeze1
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 2d, Td, Kd ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3h ]
** Dealing River ** : [ Qh ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 4740 | Side Pot 1: 3260
Board: [ 2d Td Kd 3h Qh ]
BigStreeze1 balance 8000, bet 5630, collected 8000, net +2370 [ Qs Ks ] [ two pairs, kings and queens -- Ks,Kd,Qs,Qh,Td ]
GFS309 balance 0, lost 2370 [ Ac Ah ] [ a pair of aces -- Ac,Ah,Kd,Qh,Td ]

[Myst]

dont waste our time with your sob stories. like we havent experienced them...

[stragf]

Aren't you a sweetheart. Not trying to waste time. I guess my point that wasn't well made is that on internet poker, stuff happens that I have RARELY seen at live tables with the frequency it happens online. Might you address this without the sarcasm please?

[pergesu]

These are [censored] bad beat posts and nobody gives a [censored] about them so get the [censored] off the forum.

Great way to make a first impression, [censored]. Everyone here takes way worse beats 198347091823740987 times a day, but they don't come here bitching about it.

Yes this happens to the rest of us. As for your hands

NOBODY GIVES A [censored]

[Myst]

[ QUOTE ]
These are [censored] bad beat posts and nobody gives a [censored] about them so get the [censored] off the forum.

Great way to make a first impression, [censored]. Everyone here takes way worse beats 198347091823740987 times a day, but they don't come here bitching about it.

Yes this happens to the rest of us. As for your hands

NOBODY GIVES A [censored]

[/ QUOTE ]

My sentiments exactly.

[pergesu]

That's because you see 30 hands/hr at a live table vs 120.

You probably get more straight flushes playing online than live, but I doubt you question their validity.

[stragf]

Wow...real friendly group...Thanks guys...

[Myst]

You get dealt more hands online, so you see more bad beats. Dont like it? Then get off the net and play your 30-40 hands live.

Or better yet, get off our forums until you offer something productive besides inane whining.

[KingMedicine]

aye-yah. monkey eat fish.

[joeboe2001]

Sound a lot like the d@#*heads who complain about their bad beats during tournaments!

I think your query could be taken seriously.

The situation you described may well be a case of your opponent perceiving that you went all in with any two, so he called with better than any two.

It happens in live games as well as online. In fact, much worse happens in live games as well.

Two solutions would be 1) do not play and 2) play more conservatively. For example, you did not have to go all in with your QQ; your opponent may have called a raise, but I doubt he would have reraised. You could have backed off when the K flopped; you would be in a bad position after doing so, but you would still be in the game.

Many here (perhaps including yourself) despise this kind of play, and it is probably true that, in the long run, you will win more often with your QQ push than not. However, every time you would win with your QQ push you would also win--less chips, of course-- with a more conservative strategy.

[stragf]

Thank you Joe

[Unoriginalname]

The thing is, a lot of us here have played literally thousands of STTs and we see tons of bad beats, far worse than the ones you listed, every day. Bad beat posts are useless. We've all experienced them; you just have to accept them and move on. If you want help with how to play a hand in certain situations, by all means feel free to post (as long as it's not a bad beat thread in disguise). If you want to complain about how you always get drawn out on, expect to get flamed.

[kyro]

You thanked the one person that offered you terrible advice. There's something wrong here. I'm going to try and help you.

1) Post meaningful hands where you're not sure what to do. If you're not sure what to do with QQ in this position, stop playing and read a book until you're finally sure. I'm not kidding either. Uninstall whatever site you play on. Go and buy a poker book, any book, except for Hellmuth's book. (I haven't read it, I've just heard.) When it finally dawns on you that QQ will lose to K7 occasionally, reinstall the poker software and win.

2) Don't post bad beats. I apologize for my compatriots here, but you have no idea how often we read this sort of stuff. It clogs our forums, and takes away from the important posts like the ones Skipperbob or freemoney posts. The bad beats actually have their own forum. Down where it says Other Other Topics. Post them there.

We welcome you to the forum. Suck it up. We won't always be nice, but we offer the best free advice on the internet. You can love us, or you can hate us, but if you want to get better, I suggest you just drop it and move on.

[lastchance]

The problem is, there's t600 in the pot. You've got t1300 behind. There's no way you're not losing all of your chips with this hand. You can't laydown QQ with so much money in the pot, and you can't push.

So, you push, get called, and move on. It sucks when your AT is called by AK, but it happens. Play poker, play better poker, play more poker.

[introv]

Don't listen to them. Its because internet poker is rigged. Most of these guys have paid for 'VIP' status at Party meaning the site admins leave their suckout switches set permanently to 'on'.

[stragf]

OK everyone...Thanks for all the input, which was unanimous. I was feeling beat up by so many beats, and I didn't expect the negative replies I had, but fair enough. I see where you were all coming from. Sorry if it appeared I was whining.
I am playing alot and I recognize this game is a lifelong study. So, onward.
I would like some input on the following please.
Darko big stack UTG has been pushing hard all game. I felt he was coming back over the top on so many check raises that some must be bluffed, and now down to four, he hasn't tightened up.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t4320)
Button (t930)
SB (t1945)
Hero (t805)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t600</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t805 (All-In)</font>, UTG calls t205.

Flop: (t1685) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t1685) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t1685) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1685

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
UTG has 9d 9s (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Ah Ks (high card, ace).
Outcome: UTG wins t1685. </font>


Should I have pushed?

[DarrenX]

Yeah, looks like a push to me. And sometimes when you're starting out, all you need is some assurance you're on the right page, and I think you are. Realize that you did the right thing (in the long run). And realize we all despise 4th place... you're not alone. Welcome to the forum /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[11t]

You got it all in preflop with the best hand.

What more can you ask from an awful player?

[CaptSensible]

I don't know why people who don't like bad beat posts read them and take the time to respond to them.
Anyhow, yeah it sucks. On your first hand it looked like you didn't raise pre flop. Why not?
Heads up, i find, just about any two cards are as good as any other two. Most of the hands are coin flips in HU and hands that are marginal at best at a full table go up in value when HU.

Hope this helps.

[yoadrians]

[ QUOTE ]
You got it all in preflop with the best hand.

What more can you ask from an awful player?

[/ QUOTE ]

Uh, I think AK is still an underdog to 99, so he didn't get it all in with the best hand, per se.

But, that said, I think this AK hand is a clear push, and hero made the right play despite the results.