View Full Version : Do you make this bubble call?
TxDozerMan
06-23-2005, 01:51 PM
We are down to 4 players so aggression is everywhere, someone is raising all-in on almost every hand. Is this a no-brainer call because of the blinds? I only ask because if I call I am either in a coinflip getting good odds or dominated. If this is an easy call what about 33 or 22? If this is a fold where do you change your mind?
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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1845)</font>
UTG (t2640)
<font color="#C00000">Button (t1100)</font>
SB (t2415)
Preflop: Hero is BB with 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero ???
Converter messed up button pushed, then folded to me.
I respectfully fold.
Imagine if you were playing a Step 5 higher... Would you take a 50% chance to become a significant shorty and be forced to push any two into 3 very large stacks?
Lady Dont Tekno
06-23-2005, 01:55 PM
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Imagine if you were playing a Step 5 higher...
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Hrm interesting idea. I should probably start playing like that.
LDT
wiggs73
06-23-2005, 02:03 PM
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Imagine if you were playing a Step 5 higher...
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Hrm interesting idea. I should probably start playing like that.
LDT
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No, you shouldn't. 1) You aren't playing a step 5 higher and 2) Neither are your opponents.
My point was to treat each decision with the weight of importance of a Step 5 higher, nothing more.
pokerlaw
06-23-2005, 02:50 PM
dont call w 44. you are either:
1) a coinflip; or
2) a 20% dog.
if you lose, you will hurting. let him have this hand.
schilling38
06-23-2005, 03:11 PM
what if he has 88-TT?
Any read on pusher, is he loose as hell, then he may have one or even two cards lower than the pocket pairs I mentioned.
TxDozerMan
06-23-2005, 03:26 PM
You are definately right, the best I can hope for here is a coinflip. I also think that most of the time, that is what it will be, so those 1.9:1 odds are pretty enticing, especially since I am on the good side of the coin.
The Button here is not a tight player, nor is he a maniac, he is just your average $20 player, he doesn't have 72 here, but probably not a big hand either.
I think from a pot odds point of view this is an easy call, but will folding earn more $$ in the long run? If I fold this villian will have T1500 and I will be at T1545, making us equally short stacks. Do you call with 55,66, or 77?
Easy fold, but I call with TT+
You should be looking to call with a hand that is better than a coinflip
Jonathan
06-23-2005, 03:46 PM
My first instinct is to call.
When running the numbers through eastbay´s tool,
its 2.1% +ev to call if opponent is loose (which it
sounds like they are from your post).
Suerte,
Jonathan
wiggs73
06-23-2005, 03:52 PM
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My point was to treat each decision with the weight of importance of a Step 5 higher, nothing more.
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Gotcha, wasn't trying to be sarcastic. I thought you were saying to play your hands as if it were a step 5. Clearly you wouldn't play the same in a lower buy-in, as they no doubt play a lot differently. But yeah, you're right, always put thought into your decisions. Def. good advice.
Also, as for the hand, I fold it.
Nottom
06-23-2005, 04:00 PM
I think its a pretty easy call if the button isn't an idiot and his pushing range is even remotely close to what it should be.
SNGPT shows that this is a +EV call if he is only pushing {55+, A8+, A4s+} here and thats pretty tight even for a passive player in this spot.
Edit: I'm flat out shocked so many people are folding here. I guess thats why I love having 2+2ers on my left.
lastchance
06-23-2005, 04:17 PM
That's absurd. So, you've got no stack. Therefore, you call.
TxDozerMan
06-23-2005, 04:20 PM
I am glad I am not the only one shocked by all the folds. I posted this expecting to get torched by a ton of "that is an auto call, don't be a wus".
I did run the numbers and saw that unless the button is uber-tight, it is a call (ignoring bubble consequences). I still have trouble on the bubble deciding when to play the pot odds vs folding so I can be the aggressor.
I would call this at a $55+. Fold it at an $11. This is a very difficult spot IMO.
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