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crunchy1

06-23-2005, 09:39 AM

Reads:
Maniac - Constantly bluffing with nothing hands (no-pair/no-draw). He's not afraid to make it 4-bets on any street with 72o on a broadway board. I haven't seen him show down any monsters but, I've seen many failed bluff attempts.

SLA-A - Pretty loose; likes to cold-call; I've noticed (over about 80 hands) he was aggressive/straight-forward with made hands.

Rest of the flop players: Typical LP 2/4 opponents - nothing exceptionally noticable about anyone.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 (Maniac (39/15/3)) raises, MP2 calls, 2 folds, SB (SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8)) calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 (Maniac (39/15/3)) caps, MP2 calls, SB (SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8)) calls, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (21 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero...

Grease

06-23-2005, 09:44 AM

As I read it, you have one player in between you and the maniac. I would lead out and hope he raises to clear the field.

I'll repeat the process on the turn, but I'll wait until we get there.

hobbsmann

06-23-2005, 09:52 AM

you have to bet hoping/knowing maniac will raise pretty much any of his holdings trying to drive out SB and others. Once heads up you probably have the best hand. Proceed to extract maximum value.

chief444

06-23-2005, 09:54 AM

Bet.

crunchy1

06-23-2005, 10:01 AM

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Bet.

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OK. OK. OK. I'll Bet! /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Flop: (21 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Maniac (39/15/3) raises, MP2 folds, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero...???

UTG+1 is a FISH (66/1.4/.3) any chance a 3-bet gets him to fold here? Any chance a 3-bet is for value as well?

molawn2mo

06-23-2005, 10:02 AM

bet

crunchy1

06-23-2005, 10:08 AM

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bet

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I did bet... do you mean 3-bet?

Grease

06-23-2005, 10:11 AM

3-bet for value.

molawn2mo

06-23-2005, 10:11 AM

3 bet the flop. anything that you can do here to increase your equity is good. make it look like a raising war. hopefully UTG1 has a read on maniac (same as you) that maniac will surely cap.

if utg1 chooses to continue... well, then you've done all that you can do for now

chief444

06-23-2005, 10:14 AM

I 3-bet. Hopefully one or both of the others will drop out if not to the flop cap to the turn raise. If they're still in there I'm slowing down then. If they get out and he's truly a maniac I'm going 4-bets on all streets. If he's not a complete maniac I may slow down anyway.

crunchy1

06-23-2005, 10:18 AM

2 for 2 so far...

Flop: (21 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Maniac (39/15/3) raises, MP2 folds, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Maniac (39/15/3) caps, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero...

Leading into the maniac has worked out pretty good so far in eliminating the field - try again to get the last guy out?

partygirluk

06-23-2005, 10:20 AM

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Leading into the maniac has worked out pretty good so far in eliminating the field - try again to get the last guy out?

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Yeah.

chief444

06-23-2005, 10:21 AM

An aggressive opponent probably 3-bets the maniac with better hands on the flop anyway. As I said I'm betting out again.

molawn2mo

06-23-2005, 10:27 AM

let's look at SLA. given the read and given that he did not protect his hand on the flop by 3 betting, he appears not to have a K or better and appears to be on a strong draw. as such, bet with the xpectation that maniac does his thing. this bet is for equity and value.

crunchy1

06-23-2005, 10:30 AM

Flop: (21 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Maniac (39/15/3) raises, MP2 folds, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Maniac (39/15/3) caps, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero bets, Maniac (39/15/3) raises, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero...

I don't like the SLA-A calling again - time to slow down? Or raise it up again for value?

molawn2mo

06-23-2005, 10:37 AM

since it is now apparent that we have no fold equity, i think i shut it down now and river the Qh.

chief444

06-23-2005, 10:37 AM

Probably just call at this point.

Grease

06-23-2005, 10:42 AM

Definitely bet that and pray he raises.

That turn was a dream.

Grease

06-23-2005, 10:43 AM

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Probably just call at this point.

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I concur. The other player is not folding, and we lose fold equity (a good point brought up by another.)

crunchy1

06-23-2005, 10:54 AM

4 for 4 now...

Flop: (21 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls, Maniac (39/15/3) raises, MP2 folds, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, Maniac (39/15/3) caps, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero bets, Maniac (39/15/3) raises, SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) calls, Hero Calls.

River: (23 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SLA-A (26/6.5/1.8) checks, Hero...

Check/calling 1BB from maniac here? Overcalling if the SLA-A calls?

Grease

06-23-2005, 10:57 AM

I think that we have to bite the bullet and c/overcall. The maniac will definitely bet, and there's not way we can get the other player to drop.

We can hope he had QJ and whiffed. Do you c/r the LAG if he folds?

I would.

chief444

06-23-2005, 11:15 AM

check/call.

Borno

06-23-2005, 11:19 AM

I check here, betting down NOTHING for you. This is a scary position.. with these lps lags and the maniac you will likely have to fold this hand at some time ..

I check/call the flop and fold any time its 2 bets cold to me .. I bet out the turn if its not an A or completes a 3 straight and everyone checks on the flop and I fold if raised (unless by the maniac). If the card on the turn is dangerous I check/call and see the river and then check/call one last time.

/images/graemlins/laugh.gif I think this is right...

molawn2mo

06-23-2005, 11:22 AM

river is check call.

crunchy1

06-23-2005, 11:31 AM

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I check here, betting down NOTHING for you. This is a scary position.. with these lps lags and the maniac you will likely have to fold this hand at some time ..I check/call the flop

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I'm not that scared of the King and I have a great position in relation to the maniaz to use his excessive aggression to eliminate players from the pot. This increases my pot equity, my fold equity (against players who realize I know I'm going to get raised), it has value because there's a great chance I have the best hand on the flop and with about 99% certainty the maniac will raise and face 2 players with calling 2-cold - which, when they fold, increases my chances of winning and already big pot at showdown.

I'm checking the flop exactly never.

Grease

06-23-2005, 11:32 AM

Playing passively against maniacs with a strong holding is a huge mistake.

crunchy definitely played this correctly.