For all of those that wanted to see content from me for once...

[johnnybeef]

400/800 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13320778) - Wed Jun 22 20:05:07 EDT 2005
Table Table 14013 (Real Money) -- Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 3
Seat 4: MakMark (475)
Seat 8: TORTILA (3655)
Seat 10: EvaHerdaThat (3870)
TORTILA posts small blind (200)
EvaHerdaThat posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to EvaHerdaThat [ Jc, 9d ]
MakMark folds.
TORTILA raises (1300) to 1500
EvaHerdaThat???

this is a 33.

[ILuVPuPPiEs]

You are a trick...

[johnnybeef]

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You are a trick...

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????

[ILuVPuPPiEs]

I have reason to believe that you are completely retarded...

[johnnybeef]

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I have reason to believe that you are completely retarded...

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ok, why?

[ILuVPuPPiEs]

...because you touch yourself at night.

[johnnybeef]

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...because you touch yourself at night.

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this is what i get for trying to post something that i thought would spark some debate. i've learned my lesson. back to being the court jester of the stt forum.

[ILuVPuPPiEs]

Not that I have any idea how to start a good thread...but if I were you...I would write down what I think so everyone else can have something to speak off of.

[lastchance]

Why would you want to call this? You've got nothing, and you're going to be putting in a helluva lot of your stack.

[johnnybeef]

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Why would you want to call this? You've got nothing, and you're going to be putting in a helluva lot of your stack.

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nope, calling is definately not an option

[adanthar]

he has you covered and you're ITM, he's calling like top 3/4 of what he raises, fold

[johnnybeef]

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he has you covered and you're ITM, he's calling like top 3/4 of what he raises, fold

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check those #'s again

[lastchance]

If you push, your opponent's getting 2:1 to call. Unless there's something way outside the norm here, it's an easy laydown.

Is there some read you got on this guy?

[johnnybeef]

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If you push, your opponent's getting 2:1 to call. Unless there's something way outside the norm here, it's an easy laydown.

Is there some read you got on this guy?

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yes, there is someone about to be blinded out the next hand.

[ILuVPuPPiEs]

Fold, this hand is stupid. I am an expert Poker Stars play money player...I know what I am talking about

[chisness]

fold cause he's not

[Daliman]

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fold cause he's not

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Possibly/probably true. I don't know how cognizant of ultra small stacks $33 players are. But if this is a $215, my standard play is push. fold equity is likely 75%+ in a 215

[SumZero]

Easy fold IMO. If you were to push you'd need TORTILA to all of a sudden become an ICM expert and fold. But if TOTILA was such a player he wouldn't have raised in the first place in this situation. Basically there are three things here:

TORTILA doesn't understand or doesn't play by ICM theory and thus will call you.

TORTILA does understand ICM theory but doesn't think you do so makes this steal raise and will fold to your all-in.

TORTILA does understand ICM theory and knows you do to and is trapping with AA.

1 of these 3 situations is way more likely than the other two.

[johnnybeef]

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Easy fold IMO. If you were to push you'd need TORTILA to all of a sudden become an ICM expert and fold. But if TOTILA was such a player he wouldn't have raised in the first place in this situation. Basically there are three things here:

TORTILA doesn't understand or doesn't play by ICM theory and thus will call you.

TORTILA does understand ICM theory but doesn't think you do so makes this steal raise and will fold to your all-in.

TORTILA does understand ICM theory and knows you do to and is trapping with AA.

1 of these 3 situations is way more likely than the other two.

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excellent post, thank you.

[raptor517]

i like a push here. i do plays like that all the time. clearly he doesnt want to see a flop.. meaning u might be able to knock him off a hand. safe way is to fold, fun raptor style is to autoshove. would rather have 56s tho. holla

[Myst]

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i like a push here. i do plays like that all the time. clearly he doesnt want to see a flop.. meaning u might be able to knock him off a hand. safe way is to fold, fun raptor style is to autoshove. would rather have 56s tho. holla

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Doesnt work enough at lower level sngs, sometimes doesnt work even in a bubble situation, and sometimes he'll actually have a hand. Fold.

[chisness]

well put, i like to be safe, get into 1/2 with an equal stack then be more assured of my advantage than in this situation

[Sykes]

This would be the dumbest push/call ever. You have a guy who is shortstacked who is going to be all-in next hand (unless he's brain dead) and even if he wins that he's putting up 1/4th of his stack next hand and is most likely going to go all-in about 25-30% of the time (maybe even more)).

Fold here. See what happens in the next hand with short stack. If he doubles up, and folds his sb, you have to ask yourself whether you're playing for 1st or 2nd.

[chisness]

it's also not the dumbest, its just risky, cause the raiser knows this too and is therefore should fold his mediocre hands and give you the lead

[raptor517]

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This would be the dumbest push/call ever. You have a guy who is shortstacked who is going to be all-in next hand (unless he's brain dead) and even if he wins that he's putting up 1/4th of his stack next hand and is most likely going to go all-in about 25-30% of the time (maybe even more)).

Fold here. See what happens in the next hand with short stack. If he doubles up, and folds his sb, you have to ask yourself whether you're playing for 1st or 2nd.

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its pretty clear you havent played a sng above the 55 level. holla

[Sykes]

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This would be the dumbest push/call ever. You have a guy who is shortstacked who is going to be all-in next hand (unless he's brain dead) and even if he wins that he's putting up 1/4th of his stack next hand and is most likely going to go all-in about 25-30% of the time (maybe even more)).

Fold here. See what happens in the next hand with short stack. If he doubles up, and folds his sb, you have to ask yourself whether you're playing for 1st or 2nd.

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its pretty clear you havent played a sng above the 55 level. holla

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You're right, I haven't, but I know exactly what the raiser is doing and I would still fold.

Plus I never raise half my stack without pushing/calling the rest in.

It is -ev to call/push this hand.

[Newt_Buggs]

the original posts lacks a very important part: how often has the villain been raising pf? After getting burned so many times pushing here I've finally given it up and usually fold unless I have good read. Maybe now that I've been moving up to the bigger games I should start pushing more in situations like this though.

SumZero gave a good explanation
People are stupid, even on the next level up at the $50s:
***** Hand History for Game 2249993270 *****
200/400 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13334257) - Thu Jun 23 03:28:36 EDT 2005
Table Table 11469 (Real Money) -- Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: WiredAAceSS (1565)
Seat 3: NewtBuggs (1595)
Seat 5: jcviper111 (1220)
Seat 9: ags104 (5620)
WiredAAceSS posts small blind (100)
NewtBuggs posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NewtBuggs [ 6s, Qh ]
jcviper111 folds.
ags104 folds.
WiredAAceSS calls (100)
NewtBuggs raises (1395) to 1595
NewtBuggs is all-In.
WiredAAceSS calls (1365)
WiredAAceSS is all-In.
Creating Main Pot with $3130 with WiredAAceSS
Creating Side Pot 1 with $30 with NewtBuggs
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Ks, 2h, 8h ]
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 3s ]
** Dealing River ** : [ 5h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: 3130 | Side Pot 1: 30
Board: [ Ks 2h 8h 3s 5h ]
WiredAAceSS balance 3130, bet 1565, collected 3130, net +1565 [ 9d Kd ] [ a pair of kings -- Kd,Ks,9d,8h,5h ]
NewtBuggs balance 30, bet 1595, collected 30, lost -1565 [ 6s Qh ] [ high card king -- Ks,Qh,8h,6s,5h ]
jcviper111 balance 1220, didn't bet (folded)
ags104 balance 5620, didn't bet (folded)

[chisness]

how you poss know exactly what hes doing, he could have literally any hand here and we dont even know which ones he'll then call the push with or fold

[Sykes]

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how you poss know exactly what hes doing, he could have literally any hand here and we dont even know which ones he'll then call the push with or fold

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Um, please read my post. If you fold any hand after putting half your stack in, you're a bad player.

[tomdemaine]

a lot of 33ers are bad players

[chisness]

fffffffffffffff

[Sykes]

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OK but maybe he does this with A2 and we want to push, maybe only with AK and JJ+ and we need to be folding

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I don't get your post. If he's raising with A2, he's not folding. And I fold any hand that's not JJ+ (I might even fold JJ, so QQ+. Also folding AK).

[chisness]

i think folding AK here is dumb

[fluorescenthippo]

EvaHerdaThat. im pretty sure ive played against this sn far too many times

[johnnybeef]

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the original posts lacks a very important part: how often has the villain been raising pf?

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not a ton. he was pretty weak. there were several times that hed minraise when he was the big stack and i of course yielded.

[SlackerMcFly]

Perhaps pushing in spots like this have contributed to your current downswing? If he hasn't been pushing much earlier and now finds a spot to steal your t400 with a 3.5xBB bet, folding seems pretty attractive.

Calling is not an option. Push, he folds you are in terrific shape. Push and lose and you are now chip punk forced to play the next hand from the button wih 0 FE.

Fold this, give up your BB this time around and get busy HU for 1st.

This, of course from a guy who lost to EvaHeard recently, so what do I know???

You go Beefie! Slacka