KK Preflop fold Level 1?

[Jonathan]

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<font color="#C00000">MP2 (t770)</font>
<font color="#C00000">MP3 (t1065)</font>
<font color="#C00000">CO (t790)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Button (t670)</font>
<font color="#C00000">SB (t1005)</font>
<font color="#C00000">BB (t580)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG (t770)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 (t800)</font>
<font color="#C00000">UTG+2 (t775)</font>
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t775)</font>

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.

UTG + 1 raises $75, 1 fold,
Hero reraises to $200, all fold to UTG+1 who bets 725 allin.

Whats your move? Call or lay it down?

Suerte,
Jonathan

[pooh74]

call

[Wes ManTooth]

Call

[1C5]

call.

QQ is a more interesting choice.

JJ=fold

[Karak567]

Folding KK pre-flop is always wrong (almost always).

I really hope you didn't fold here.

I wouldn't lay down QQ here either.

[gildwulf]

no no no no no no no no no no no no no.

DO NOT FOLD KK PREFLOP.

[Slim Pickens]

Call.

I experimented with the Level 1 KK open-push in a 22 last night. I was UTG on the first hand and figured what the hell, push. The first caller had TT, so I consider the experiment a success. The second had AA. That's an occupational hazard. Do whatever you can to get all your chips in preflop with KK.

SlimP

[mlagoo]

the range of hands the average sng player would push with here is so large that folding would be a crime. A CRIME I TELL YE. Also, even if he turned up AA, it doesnt mean that folding was the right play.

[gildwulf]

I MIGHT lay down QQ lvl 1 if I have previous notes that he is super tight. But at lvl 1 you have the biggest concentrations of donks. You need to capitalize on this before they all bust out with A9o all-in preflop. Call QQ too.

Also, what lvl is this? I only have experience up through 30s (which I assume you're at considering the question).

[rvg72]

Unless you know that this is a very strong, very tight player then an easy call and even if he is that strong, tight player it is a call for me although I wouldn't be as surprised when he flipped over AA...

[45suited]

I never fold KK pre-flop regardless of the action in front of me. I'm not good enough to think that I have reading ability that would enable me to do this.

Plus, there's the whole thing that alot of donkeys would do this with a hand as bad as AQs or worse... A guy did it to me last night (re-raised all-in on L1) and had 55.

[frostbrn]

Auto-call. You'll end up seeing maybe 1 of them have JJ/QQ and the other one will flip up AJ suited or something in that range

[adanthar]

Didn't read your post, 800 chip SNG, call

[trdi]

Hm, what about UTG AA? I raise to 60, UTG+1 El Stupido goes all-in (it was the THIRD hand of the tournament, so level 1!). I call and he shows 97s. Of course he flopped two pair. /images/graemlins/grin.gif What was he really thinking? Is it possible that some guys just DON'T think and only choose their actions randomly?

[Gusti]

I call QQ, fold JJ. AK depends on my mood, but I dont always reraise that. Is common knowledge to lay AK down in that situation?

[Jonathan]

OK......There have been 14 responses and the decision
is UNANIMOUS. Every single person says CALL!

Surely this unanimity must be a first for this forum!

Naturally, I called, he turned over AA, and I was out in
10 place on the second hand of the tournament. Now mabey
some people would be upset, but for me it was no big deal,
as I was focusing on the other 3 games in play and starting
up a 4th one.

But the reason for my post in the first place is that
recently there was slew statistics posts where people
had combined 9th and 10th place finishes of less than 5%.
And, as I described in a related thread on folding QQ,
I don't see how they get under 5% if they are calling
in these situations.

Thanks for the input.

Suerte,
Jonathan

[Slim Pickens]

[ QUOTE ]
But the reason for my post in the first place is that
recently there was slew statistics posts where people
had combined 9th and 10th place finishes of less than 5%.
And, as I described in a related thread on folding QQ,
I don't see how they get under 5% if they are calling
in these situations.

[/ QUOTE ]

Calculate the probability of being dealt KK in the first, say, ten hands. Multiply that by the probability that when you are dealt KK, someone else at the table will be dealt AA. That should get you started.

SlimP

[adanthar]

[ QUOTE ]
OK......There have been 14 responses and the decision
is UNANIMOUS. Every single person says CALL!

Surely this unanimity must be a first for this forum!

[/ QUOTE ]

nah, we get 'fold KK PF?' threads all the time

[ QUOTE ]
statistics posts where people
had combined 9th and 10th place finishes of less than 5%.

[/ QUOTE ]

the chance of you having KK at the same time as AA while no one has gone out yet is...small