Aggressive with 99 UTG

[MCS]

Hello,

This is my first hand post. Virginity: gone.

This is at a .50-1 online table. The game has like 35% seeing the flop, and I've only been there for about ten hands, but it seems to be moderately aggressive for the .50/1 game, though I don't really have a read on anyone in this hand. Anyway, here's the hand.

PREFLOP
I have 9 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 9 /forums/images/icons/club.gif UTG. I didn't realize it at the time, but this is funny, because I had thought about making a post today about how Phil Hellmuth claims that two black 9's is known as Phil's Hand, but I've never heard anyone actually call it that. I raise. UTG+1 3-bets. MP cold-calls 3. Folded around, I call, so 3-handed.

FLOP
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I check, figuring one of these guys will bet and I can checkraise. UTG+1 bets. MP raises. I check-reraise (Is that a word? I guess "checkraise" really isn't either.) MP caps, both I and UTG call.

TURN
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I check (again planning the checkraise), UTG+1 checks, MP bets, I raise, UTG+1 folds, MP 3-bets, I call.

RIVER
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I check, MP bets, I call.

Okay, so here are my thoughts.

I played this much more aggressively than I normally would. Is the raise with 99 a good one? Is there any point at which I should slow down? MP capped the flop, and then 3-bet the turn, and I got pretty nervous. At least calling the river seemed like a no-brainer though. I also wasn't sure whether the turn checkraise was a good play anyway, since MP could have (and did) 3-bet me. There was a straight with 78 after the turn, and a flush by the river, but I didn't think someone would cap with a gutshot draw or a shot at runner-runner flush.

Anybody have a guess at what UTG+1 has?

I'll post MP's hand after a couple of replies.

THANKS FOR THE HELP.

[morgan]

I'm sort of new to hold'em, but I want to take a guess. I'd say MP has 55. Maybe A9s, but that would be a bad call pre-flop, though I guess either is a bad call (aren't they?).

My guess for UTG+1 is AK, or maybe KK.

Curious to see,

Morgan

[morgan]

Forgot to give my opinion as to the play of the hand... Well, I'm not too experienced, but the way you played it seemed fine to me. I don't believe anyone has a flush or 3 aces or straight. So you have to be best... right?

[Clarkmeister]

You seem worried about AA and rightfully so. I'd be mildly surprised if MP *didn't* have AA.

[MCS]

On the flop, I forgot to mention that the UTG+1 guy called before MP capped. And UTG means UTG+1. I guess smart people assumed that correctly. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

As it turned out, MP had AKo. (Obviously, I don't know what UTG+1 had since he folded. I'd guess KK, since I don't know that he'd 3-bet with 55.) Morgan, I agree with you on kinda how I figured the other two guys. Clarkmeister, I was surprised too. I can't believe he played top pair so strongly.

Then again, I hammered the hell out of my hand too, but at least mine was only behind AA. Granted, I did suspect AA /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Did I indeed overplay this? I ask because usually I get too scared of a single raise, and I was making an effort this time not to be too paranoid. I also kinda wanted to drop the UTG+1 guy, but in retrospect, I don't know that that was a worthwhile goal or warranted all the checkraising stuff, since he's only folding hands that I beat.

And is 99 usually a legit raising hand UTG? I often have trouble playing medium pairs.

Thanks again for the replies.

[Bob T.]

In higher games, I think that 99 is definately an open raising hand. You may as well try it at .50/1.00 to learn how to play the hand under those conditions, but my default play at those limits would be to limp, and try and get a lot of players into the pot to give me the odds to flop a set.

I think you showed about the right amount of aggression with your hand. I think your opponent grossly overplayed his hand, so you need to keep that in mind against him in the future, and maybe go one more bet with him when you are headsup.

Good luck,
Play well,

Bob T.

[ZManODS]

I believe you played youre hand perfectly. You couldnt have asked for a better flop. By the turn there is no reason to believe someone was going for a str8 or flush there was just too much action preflop.
As for thinking youre up against AA, you cant always be afraid of the nuts.

[STOSH1]

Given 3 bets before the flop, if it's not a table of maniacs the range of hands to consider could be AA,KK,QQ,JJ,10-10,99,88,AK,AQ,AJs. MP sitting with AK has to be pretty happy with the flop also, AA,99 are the only hands he's behind. On the turn you check to him a second time, hmmm says he - weakness or fancy play syndrom me thinks, /forums/images/icons/confused.gif but two hearts, I can charge the flush draws, Ax may have called to this point without odds. As much as you may have been afraid of AA, MP doesn't seem to be as afraid of AA or 99 which are the two non-maniac hands that can beat him. Yes, 7-3o got there but you can't read somebody for that.

[Duke]

Pre-flop: Fine.

On the flop: why check-raise? You're ahead about 99 percent of the time here, and there is no draw to fear. check-call, or just bet out. Pump the turn. AK or AQ at low limits is also a 3-bet hand, and the ace on the flop makes the AA less likely.

The turn: Well, right now I don't see why you check-raised. Who's going to call 2 cold in this situation? You know you're ahead of the guy in the middle. You want him putting money into the pot. But you know that the last guy is fairly strong (since you did check-raise the flop, and he did 3-bet). Why not just bet out? The middle guy probably won't dump to a single bet, unless he has a pair and hopes to turn a set and misses, and then if the last guy raises yet again, you just call again, and extract yet another bet out of the weak ace in the middle (if that's what he has).

The river: Either bet and call a raise, or check-raise and call a 3-bet.

I think you undervalued your hand the whole way. The only hands to worry about are AA, and AhXh. You're ahead much of the time. Save trickery and reading players for good hands for bigger games. In .5/1, you put everything you can in there. The late position player never had a chance to convince you that you didn't have the best hand anyhow.

A final note is that I like your reasoning the whole way, but you leaned toward the passive side a bit too much in my opinion.

~D

[tewall]

I like your play and thinking except for the pre-flop raise with 99. I don't know why you'd want to raise there.

[el gato]

If you're asking whether you should be limping or raising with this hand in early position, I like Bob T's resonse the best. Usually your objective with raising with this hand is to try and get out those hands that can hurt it, Ax Kx. And this usually works in tough higher limit games.

It's been my experience and I'm sure most of the posters will agree with me, the lower the limit, the more callers pre-flop regardless of how many raises. In these cases you probably want to see if the flop as cheaply as possible and hope to flop a set or at least an overpair to the board.

As far as your play of the hand, I'm assuming it was capped on the flop and the turn (your post was a little unclear). You flopped a big hand and I'm likely to put a lot of bets in, but if you're opponent keeps raising, you need to back off at some point. Your play was fine.


Best of luck! /forums/images/icons/grin.gif

[bernie]

ive raised with that preflop....the 3 bets kinda scary though...

nice c/r on the flop...MP may be betting a high A, 2 pair, a lower set, maybe even a smoothcalled AA..

the turn, id bet out, then call a raise...the board is kinda raggy and could be doubtful anyone is showing that much power with a gutshot. that and the fact you dont have any reads on the players prior...but are they overplaying hands? you mentioned moderately aggressive...

the mp 3bet is why i wouldnt go for the c/r....hes representing at least a set at this point....maybe top 2 pair.. but again, he could be overplaying....doubt it, but you cant be sure here...

with that, im calling the river to see

utg may have AK or KK....nice laydown if he has AK, but given the action its obvious there could be a set out there...

MP? 55, A9s or AA....unless hes getting out of control with AK /forums/images/icons/heart.gif my hope is for 55 or A9s

i dont see the gutshot or runner flush playing this way...but again, some players........

b

[bernie]

i think the AA is a good possibility too....with that read, how would you have played the turn?

b

[bernie]

sometimes against unknown players, until you see them showdown some and see whether they overplay or not, you have to be a little cautious...i think..

however, say earlier you notice this guy 3 bet AA without hesitation....but saw him smoothing in AK at times....then id agree with your play of the turn more...because youd more likely be ahead based on your prior reads...the only reason id say you overplayed was lack of knowledge of the player...that and sometimes it can be tough to get a double c/r. especially if there's a draw out there and an LP is capping the flop. but here, it's much less likely hes doing a free card play..

btw...if the utg guy was a tight 3 bettor preflop, the MP could dump this hand preflop.

one thing to watch for in lower limits, and higher for that matter is...limping standards and raising standards...

some guys will limp loose preflop, but raise with tight standards. so you may think theyre loose, but their raise can narrow down their hands quite a bit...something to watch for if youre not already...

b

[bernie]

"The late position player never had a chance to convince you that you didn't have the best hand anyhow."

unless this is meant as a joke...id really like to hear how the LP played this where he didnt get a chance to convince him....he never slowed down...

flop....he reraised a c/r
turn...he reraised a c/r again...
river....he bet

that would convince me to take heed if i didnt know the player...

b

[MCS]

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flop....he reraised a c/r
turn...he reraised a c/r again...

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This is why I thought he had AA after the turn, and why I check-called the river. I know you have to be aggressive and all, but wow. That was a lot of pounding on his part. I thought I was beaten, but I definitely wasn't so sure that I was folding. I WAS sure enough that I wasn't raising the river.

The "limping standards vs raising standards" is a good thing to think about. I think I myself probably limp too much.

El Gato, sorry if the description was unclear. The turn didn't get capped (the flop did). On the turn, I checkraised, the UTG+1 player folded, the MP player 3-bet, and I called.

I think the checkraise on the turn may not have been the best play, since I wasn't worried about draws and it didn't make me more money, although I still like the aggression of the hand in general. I raised the 99 preflop since I was hoping overcards would fold, and with the thought that the table seemed like they might be reasonably smart and fold to a raise.

Again, thanks to all, because as a new player, it's really helpful and gratifying to get help from more experienced players.