Watching SH 30/60...

[BusterStacks]

I am seeing these guys check the flop when they dont have position, even after raising PF (or 3-betting from blinds). I literally never do this, can someone explain the merits of doing this to me? Can I apply this at 5/10 SH?

I'm also seeing A-high bet a paired flop, and check call the turn. Is this a good technique? Against who?

Thanks

[ALL1N]

Heh, don't try and learn from the bad players. Here is hand from 20 mins ago:

Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
MP doesn't show.
Hero has Ad 7c (high card, ace).
SB has Jd Kd (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 5.50 BB. </font>

[imitation]

I was just about to reply, with what makes you think you are watching the good players or even the winning players...

[stripsqueez]

i havent played much in this game but i have seen some unusally bad play - both extremes - stupidly aggro guys and silly weak/tight guys

i wish they would spread it as 6 max - plenty of short handed tables but i dont like to play once it inevitably fills up beyond 6 or breaks

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

[krishanleong]

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i havent played much in this game but i have seen some unusally bad play - both extremes - stupidly aggro guys and silly weak/tight guys

i wish they would spread it as 6 max - plenty of short handed tables but i dont like to play once it inevitably fills up beyond 6 or breaks

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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I agree. The 20/40 game seems to be struggling pretty badly right now. Maybe we could send them e-mails to try and make it shorthand?

Krishan

[sthief09]

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i havent played much in this game but i have seen some unusally bad play - both extremes - stupidly aggro guys and silly weak/tight guys

i wish they would spread it as 6 max - plenty of short handed tables but i dont like to play once it inevitably fills up beyond 6 or breaks

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

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I agree. The 20/40 game seems to be struggling pretty badly right now. Maybe we could send them e-mails to try and make it shorthand?

Krishan

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blows my mind why they'd make a 20/40 full game but not 6-max. I'll certainly send an e-mail from all 14 accounts supporting 20/40 6-max if we decide to do this

[Grisgra]

My main concern about the creation of a 6-max 20/40 game is that it'd end up consisting of all of us 2+2'ers just beating the crap out of each other. I have played in one shorthanded 20/40 game on Party, just looked soft to me. Turned out I was right /images/graemlins/grin.gif. I think frankly that it might be best to keep it the way it is -- right now we can pick on the poor-SH-playing 20/40 full ring guys /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[sthief09]

well I think that's a bit of an overstatment. people like to gamble it up. shorthanded you can play more hands and play more aggressively with them. you'll get a lot of the 15/30-30/60 LAGs if you open a 20/40-6 game, especially if you limit the number of 20 full games, just like they do with 1/2, 5/10, and 10/20

[Grisgra]

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well I think that's a bit of an overstatment. people like to gamble it up. shorthanded you can play more hands and play more aggressively with them. you'll get a lot of the 15/30-30/60 LAGs if you open a 20/40-6 game, especially if you limit the number of 20 full games, just like they do with 1/2, 5/10, and 10/20

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LAGs scare me /images/graemlins/smile.gif. I want them weak-tight passive players playing fit-or-fold while they wait for the game to fill up!

[freehat]

I agree that 20-40 needs to move into 6-max zone like 1-2, 5-10, and 10-20. People who want to play full can still stay at 15-30 or play at 30-60.

[helpmeout]

You get the bost of both worlds now.

When the game goes short you beat the weak SH players.

When the game fills up you beat the SH specialists who cant play ring.

[sthief09]

are short 20 games that good?

[helpmeout]

Games are good when there are bad players.

Just have to know who is bad.

[wheelz]

I do some ace high check-calling on the turn nowadays against players who like to bluff raise me on the turn