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dark_horse

06-22-2005, 05:01 AM

villian's stats after 148 hands is 32.2/9.4/1.1
table is very loose. (you should be hearing cash registers in your head with all those PF cold-calls)

i called villian's flop 3bet instead of capping because 1. i knew that nobody's folding to my cap and 2. to raise it on the turn because i was sure of all the draws out there. but once i got 3bet on the turn maybe i should have folded on the river if the king didn't come, however pot was so damn big and with those possible overcalls on the river, i just couldn't fold this. i think i played it right. feedback?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (16 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, MP1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (18 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (6 players)
SB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (30 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 33 BB

JTG51

06-22-2005, 05:07 AM

Did you consider just calling the flop bet and waiting until the turn to raise?

therockofgibraltar

06-22-2005, 05:21 AM

The pot is huge at the flop and there might be a flush or/and straight draws. Not possible to protect your hand. Call. Raise the turn if safe card comes.

dark_horse

06-22-2005, 05:35 AM

ok, guess my only mistake then was raising the flop. you call the river though? calling the turn 3bet is a no-brainer as you easily have the odds to draw to the gutshot, although it looks like everyone else is drawing too. perhaps we only have 3 outs on the turn.

crunchy1

06-22-2005, 09:17 AM

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ok, guess my only mistake then was raising the flop.

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Since you raised the flop (and were consequently 3-bet) - I think raising the turn is a mistake as well. When 6 players call 2-cold behind you on the flop and then the original bettor 3-bets for value and everyone calls again - I don't see how we could possibly calculate enough pot equity to raise again on the turn. I can understand calling down with the gutshot - but after being 3-bet on the flop the turn raise was a mistake.

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perhaps we only have 3 outs on the turn.

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And many times those 3 outs will have you splitting the pot with at least 1 (if not 2) other player.

markfife

06-22-2005, 10:06 AM

If hero was re-raised on the flop would it be correct to fold? I find myself losing a lot from calling aggressive players with top pair with this type of board, even if the 3 to a straight are low cards.

crunchy1

06-22-2005, 10:21 AM

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If hero was re-raised on the flop would it be correct to fold? I find myself losing a lot from calling aggressive players with top pair with this type of board, even if the 3 to a straight are low cards.

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?!? Hero was re-raised on the flop.

I'm not folding for one more bet with the gutshot in this huge pot.