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smcannon
06-21-2005, 06:59 PM
Did I play this right?

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls.

Turn: (14 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls, SB calls.

River: (17 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls.

Final Pot: 20 BB
aK13
06-21-2005, 07:05 PM
Flop looks like a good place to raise.

You are way too passive.
@bsolute_luck
06-21-2005, 08:26 PM
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Flop looks like a good place to raise.

You are way too passive.

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really? i thought the turn was a better spot.
kitaristi0
06-21-2005, 08:34 PM
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Flop looks like a good place to raise.

You are way too passive.

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really? i thought the turn was a better spot.

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I agree. A flop raise isn't going to protect your hand. I would've called and raised the turn when a blank comes.
kitaristi0
06-21-2005, 08:37 PM
A turn raise may even buy you a free showdown, should you wish to take one. I wouldn't though. What could BB possibly hold? He might've flopped a set, but he could have TT or even worse. He might have a lone J. By raising the turn you take control of the hand, and then i bet for value on the river when another blank comes.
aK13
06-21-2005, 09:06 PM
Who are we protecting against?

BB being the likely bettor on the turn, we can't protect against UTG. SB probably isn't semi-bluffing a gutshot into this much preflop action. If we make it 3bets, we might get Button to fold a better hand (AA, KK) -- he should be the one to worry about.

No way to protect. Raise for value. Buy the button. Try to get preflop capper to fold a better hand.
istewart
06-21-2005, 09:08 PM
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If we make it 3bets, we might get Button to fold a better hand (AA, KK)

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This is never happening IMHO.
NDHand
06-21-2005, 10:14 PM
Exactly my line of thought, except that it would be extremly surprising that Button would fold AA/KK.
Duerig
06-21-2005, 10:49 PM
You need to raise this somewhere. I would raise the flop.
aK13
06-21-2005, 11:55 PM
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If we make it 3bets, we might get Button to fold a better hand (AA, KK)

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This is never happening IMHO.

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You capped preflop, and you're facing 3 bets to you... This is an easy call or cap for you? I probably wouldn't fold, but I would definitely consider it.
istewart
06-22-2005, 12:00 AM
No, I would usually not fold, barring reads. But that is me/you/2+2 thinking. AA/KK as an overpair sees a showdown nearly everytime for everyone else, either because they're extremely LAG or because they only play JJ+ and AK and they can't bear to fold postflop.
DocMartin
06-22-2005, 03:06 PM
Tough to read hands when everyone is in for the cap. BB's preflop show of strength was calling 3 cold.

I like the idea of a turn raise and call-down to a 3-bet.