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valejo
06-21-2005, 04:34 PM
The blinds are 15/30 early in a Party $10+1 tourney. I'm the short stack with t730. The villian is a LAG (42/18) with a medium stack and has been very active. I'm looking for help on all streets, but specifically the turn. Would you do anything differently to protect yourself?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t880)
BB (t930)
UTG (t1070)
MP1 (t1005)
MP2 (t2335)
Hero (t730)
Button (t1050)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (t105) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t105) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets t50</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, BB calls t100.

River: (t405) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero bets [t550] (all-in), BB calls t550.

Final Pot: t955

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
BB has 9c 9d (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Qs Js (flush, king high).
Outcome: Hero wins t955. </font>
BDarch
06-21-2005, 04:37 PM
fold preflop
kwc98
06-21-2005, 04:57 PM
This was played terribly by the BB, his slowplay backfired to say the lest. In this position on the turn I would just call for the 50 and see if you hit the str8 or flush, I am not seeing the reason for betting here, but it worked. I think the BB should have made a BIG raise or gone all in to protect his hand on such a draw heavy board.

I would also sometimes bet out on the flop here to try to win outright, but given the cards that would not have worked, but that never stops me!
lastchance
06-21-2005, 04:57 PM
Folding preflop isn't bad.

No way I don't call the turn to see the river. Raising is just plain dumb here. You don't have a hand. You can't raise unless you're semibluffing, and it appears you aren't. So just call the turn.
valejo
06-21-2005, 05:01 PM
Yes, I agree. I got lucky BB played so poorly.
RobGW
06-21-2005, 05:11 PM
Hero is in LP with no strength shown and he has a reasonable hand. This hand shows exactly why folding PF is bad. These fish at the 10's will let you hit your hand and then pay you off!
the_joker
06-21-2005, 05:12 PM
Pre-flop: folding may be good, but calling not bad.

Flop: against someone 42/18 taking the free card is cool, against tighter players I might bet.

Turn: just call.

River: I'd bet less. How do you know he will call this giant bet?
45suited
06-21-2005, 05:14 PM
This fish at the 11s would have re-raised the OP all-in on the turn.

Raising the turn to 150 was terrible. Luckily your opponent was a moron.