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11t
06-21-2005, 03:19 PM
20+2 on Stars, this is readless

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP1 (t1060)
MP2 (t2110)
MP3 (t1450)
CO (t1470)
Button (t1580)
SB (t1490)
Hero (t1480)
UTG (t1360)
UTG+1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t20, Button calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero checks.

Flop: (t110) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t200</font>, MP1 calls t200, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls t100.

Turn: (t710) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t240</font>, MP1 calls t240, Hero....

octaveshift
06-21-2005, 03:28 PM
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Flop: (t110) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t200</font>, MP1 calls t200, CO folds, Button folds, Hero calls t100.

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I think you should push or fold here. (Instead of calling.)

11t
06-21-2005, 03:34 PM
And you never draw to boats?

octaveshift
06-21-2005, 03:37 PM
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And you never draw to boats?

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Meh. Not with that much flop action.

yoadrians
06-21-2005, 03:39 PM
Push or fold. I lean toward pushing.

benza13
06-21-2005, 03:44 PM
Flop is push/fold. If you think the straight is already out there you still have redraws and you want to make it expensive on flush draws. Not the flop to play this soft.

Sponger15SB
06-21-2005, 03:47 PM
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Flop is push/fold. If you think the straight is already out there you still have redraws and you want to make it expensive on flush draws. Not the flop to play this soft.

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Wait you're saying if the straight is out there you want to make it expenive for flush draws? If the straight is out there I was everyone and their mother to call when I go all in.

11t
06-21-2005, 03:47 PM
So completely readless you advocate pushing the flop(which is maniac imo) or folding the flop (which is weak tight when you are getting like 6:1 to call?!)

Are you high?

octaveshift
06-21-2005, 04:05 PM
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Are you high?

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I assumed this was a 22 on Party, I didn't see that you had a deep stack.

You are getting 5:1 pot odds on the turn, and you are 7:1 to fill up. (Correct?)

Do you think you are ahead or behind so far?

adanthar
06-21-2005, 04:32 PM
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Flop: (t110) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t200</font>, MP1 calls t200

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DANGER WILL ROBINSON

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Turn: (t710) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets t240</font>, MP1 calls t240

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Oh ok, a pair + draw.

Push.

badluckal
06-21-2005, 04:36 PM
Range of hands hero is up against:

flush draw, straight draw, AA-99, AJ, AK, KQ, KT, QT, KJ, QJ, Jx, Qx,

I just can't put villans on AA-99, AK, KQ, AJ given preflop passivity. You are ahead of KT, QT, KJ, QJ, Jx, Qx.

J9 is the danger, especially with MP1 cold-calling.

I still say push the blank turn.

benza13
06-21-2005, 04:56 PM
Sorry, my other post wasn't clear. I was saying 2 separate things. If the straight is there you have redraws. If there are flush draws, make it expensive. Thats what I was saying.

lastchance
06-21-2005, 05:01 PM
What does Adanthar do on the flop? I don't know if calling is correct with the board what it is.

11t
06-21-2005, 05:08 PM
I folded the turn and UTG showed down j9os.


GG position.

badluckal
06-21-2005, 11:12 PM
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I folded the turn and UTG showed down j9os.


GG position.

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Well done. I'd be 4 outs to busted.

adanthar
06-21-2005, 11:28 PM
I don't think calling is wrong, but it depends on your ability to form a plan for the rest of the hand. Mine would involve a lot of push CR's on a turn 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif when people are betting and calling 240 and a lot of check/folds when UTG bets 600 and MP pushes. As for other cards, well, it depends.

Getting 5:1 on the call, it's fine because you often have the best hand and something like 2/3 of the deck is safe, implied odds, etc. Note: I'd fold QT in a heartbeat.

edit: also, the fold is bad because UTG almost never has you beat here (J9o inviting every other card in the deck to beat him notwithstanding) and it's MP1 that should have you worried.