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benkath1
06-20-2005, 08:46 PM
I know my flop call was a bit thin, but I kept thinking if I hit, I should be able to make up quite a few bets. If I miss on the turn then I'm gone. Is this proper use of implied odds?

Villain is 14/3 after 45 hands.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8 SB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

River: (13.50 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Final Pot: 15.50 BB
milesdyson
06-20-2005, 08:47 PM
yeah. you're almost getting the right immediate odds on this flop call anyway.

btw you should have raised this preflop with such a tight sb.
toss
06-20-2005, 08:48 PM
PF call seems marginal. If I'm playing (which I'm not) I'd come in for a raise. Flop call isn't bad at all. You're getting 10:1 for a clean gutshot.
benkath1
06-20-2005, 08:51 PM
Yeah, looking at the hand now I was thinking the same thing pf.

So what's the lowest odds you will make this call with?
milesdyson
06-20-2005, 08:59 PM
depending on BB (how bad he is) and how aggressive CO could be with AK (and other hands), i would call this for 6:1, which is kind of unrealistic because the pot can't be that small without SB raising preflop (therefore he doesn't have AK very often).

but i routinely make calls with gutshots from the bb with say 67 on a 4 handed 48Kr flop when the action goes:

sb checks, I check, utg bets, mp calls, sb calls, I call.

this scenario leaves me, uh, 7:1. then i get to check raise the turn and make lots of money.
Malachii
06-20-2005, 09:01 PM
You wouldn't limp in from the cutoff with QJo?! That's uber tight.
kapw7
06-20-2005, 09:12 PM
You have huge implied odds against hands like AK/AT/AA/TT etc. (Having said that tonight I lost all my A-high straights to boats). I would call for less odds like 9:1 or 8:1 or even lower depending on how many players stay in the pot and how bad they are, that is how possible they are to payoff my hand.

In your hand for example you win 4.5+4+1=9.5 BB for your 0.5 BB on the flop. Of course sometimes you can lose to a full house or split but still you make a big profit when you make your hand. Just be carefull not to get trapped if a queen or jack falls on the turn.
bozlax
06-20-2005, 09:59 PM
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but i routinely make calls with gutshots from the bb with say 67 on a 4 handed 48Kr flop when the action goes:

sb checks, I check, utg bets, mp calls, sb calls, I call.


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Just to clarify, your odds in this situation are much better than OP's were as he had (4/47)+(4/46) where you have ((8/47)+(8/46)) + ((8/47) + (4/46)), right?
milesdyson
06-20-2005, 10:05 PM
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but i routinely make calls with gutshots from the bb with say 67 on a 4 handed 48Kr flop when the action goes:

sb checks, I check, utg bets, mp calls, sb calls, I call.


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Just to clarify, your odds in this situation are much better than OP's were as he had (4/47)+(4/46) where you have ((8/47)+(8/46)) + ((8/47) + (4/46)), right?

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i'm not sure what you're trying to say there. i was just coming up with a scenario where our immediate odds are 7:1 but i would call the flop with a gutshot.

ie:

Preflop: utg calls, mp calls, co folds, btn folds, sb completes, i check in the bb with 76 (4 sb in pot)

Flop: 4 8 K rainbow (4 players)
sb checks, i check, utg bets, mp calls, sb calls, i call getting 7:1.
gvibes
06-20-2005, 10:12 PM
Against a loose limper with reasonably tight blinds, I'm raising this a lot of the time preflop. The rest is perfect.
toss
06-20-2005, 10:18 PM
I'm squeaky tight.
bozlax
06-20-2005, 10:46 PM
It's ok...I'm wrong, anyway. I need to multiply where I add in a couple of places.
Duerig
06-20-2005, 11:16 PM
I think the flop call is fine.