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LargeCents

06-19-2005, 11:23 PM

I've never posted a hand here before, but I've been wanting to get some feedback on wierd hands that keep coming up.

This particular hand involves your typical generic fish, who are somewhat weak and passive.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG+1 /images/graemlins/frown.gifFish1)/ calls, 1 fold, MP2 /images/graemlins/frown.gifFish2)/ calls, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Fish1 raises, Fish2 calls, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, Fish1 calls, Fish2 calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Fish1 calls, Fish2 calls.

River: (11.70 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG folds, Fish1 calls, Fish2 calls.

Final Pot: 14.70 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Td Ks (two pair, tens and nines).
Fish1 has Ah Tc (two pair, tens and nines).
Fish2 has 7s Jc (two pair, nines and sevens).
Outcome: Fish1 wins 14.70 BB.

Duerig

06-19-2005, 11:28 PM

I'd play it the same.

J. Stew

06-20-2005, 12:03 AM

Yeah, same here, except I would spell 'wierd' . . . 'weird', seriously though
yeah, you had it right

Brain

06-20-2005, 12:07 AM

Looks fine from here.

Welcome to the forums (although you've been here way longer than me)!

LargeCents

06-20-2005, 08:01 AM

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Looks fine from here.

Welcome to the forums (although you've been here way longer than me)!

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Thanks

I've been lurking on here forever, but never had much time to post, working 80 hours a week. Plus, I never took poker too seriously. But, I've been trying to refine my game after a longish layoff now.

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Yeah, same here, except I would spell 'wierd' . . . 'weird', seriously though
yeah, you had it right

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lol. thanks. I don't aspire to be a professional writer, but hopefully I can be +EV at the tables. Here's an extra mole for ya, JStew! /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Nilbud

06-20-2005, 09:43 AM

I admit, I'd be a bit worried about betting out on the turn with the second 9 on the board. What is the reasoning for betting here?

Webster

06-20-2005, 10:16 AM

I would have backed down on the river with that second nine hitting. BUT - I'm a little conservative on the river at times

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deception5

06-20-2005, 10:19 AM

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I admit, I'd be a bit worried about betting out on the turn with the second 9 on the board. What is the reasoning for betting here?

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I assume you mean the river. If you don't bet will you call a bet? It costs the same if you lead out, but if you don't bet and it gets checked through you lose at least 1BB and up to 3BB when you are ahead. If you do bet and get raised you can be reasonably sure you're beaten here and fold (costing the same as check/call). Also the second 9 makes it less likely that your opponents actually have a 9 as there are only 2 left in the deck and also puts you ahead of a 2 pair hand like 75/T5.

Nilbud

06-20-2005, 10:34 AM

Sorry, yes I meant the river, of course.

Nilbud

06-20-2005, 10:39 AM

That makes sense...I've never thought of it that way.

So, if I'm going to call a bet on the river, it's better to lead out and fold if re-raised.

I think part of my problem is that I will often call the raise on the river anyway. The logic being that I'm already invested and the pot is probably too big to fold.

Brain

06-22-2005, 02:16 AM

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So, if I'm going to call a bet on the river, it's better to lead out and fold if re-raised.

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Especially since we have them tagged as weak and passive. I don't think Fish1 is raising the flop with a 9, but Fish 2 might have just called with one so if he raises you, then you are probably beat.

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I think part of my problem is that I will often call the raise on the river anyway. The logic being that I'm already invested and the pot is probably too big to fold.

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Bet/fold takes some practice. Trust me.

NDHand

06-22-2005, 03:57 AM

I disagree here. Unless your read is 99.99% accurate, you should call that raise. You'd be getting 14-to-1 on that call... only fold if you're CERTAIN that fish1 wouldnt try to bluff more than 7,1% of the time... and who can certify that with such precision? Even the fishiest of fish knows the 2nd 9 hitting can scare you and might try to take a shot at you. In this pot, call if raised on the river.