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pearljam
06-19-2005, 07:36 PM
no reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

BB (t1260)
UTG (t1115)
MP (t2605)
Button (t570)
Hero (t2450)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t2605 (All-In)</font>, Button calls t570 (All-In), <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>.

Flop: (t3475) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t3475) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t3475) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3475

ChuckyB
06-19-2005, 07:44 PM
That raise is way too big...it feels like a steal.
If MP wins, four are left and you're 2nd in chips...
If Button wins, five are left and you're chip-leader...
If you call, BB could come along (but absolutely shouldn't)...
Button has at least Ax...

I'm trying to rationalize why you should call...and it feels horrible to say 'dump the 5th best hand in the deck.' But I lead toward folding...may God have mercy on my soul.

Let me add that right now I'm all about winning money. If I wanted to win the whole thing...I call.

treeofwisdom7
06-19-2005, 08:57 PM
MP could have a wide range but over all i think a call would be a breakeven bet. FOLD

im happy with his big raise because it seems like he is pushing the action which is great!!
you did the right thing.

lastchance
06-19-2005, 09:25 PM
Dammit, I call here. And it's a very easy one. 5-handed is not totally like 4-handed. You have a healthy stack, the guy made a standard 13x BB raise with a wide range. You have SUITED AK, which is a lot better than AKo.

Against AQ-AK, AA-99, you're 51%, which is decent, but a fold here.

Against AK-AT, AA-77, you're 56%, which is a close fold.

Against AK-A7, AA-44, KQ-KJ, you're 62%. I suspect MP to be pushing at least this range. I call.

Though a MP that hasn't been raising a lot makes me think about folding, but this spot is too good to fold, IMHO.

elonkra
06-19-2005, 09:33 PM
There's no way anyone can answer this question without further information. This is read-dependent.

treeofwisdom7
06-19-2005, 10:20 PM
i think this does depend on a read. im not sure what i would really do considering im not in the hand. but it seems like i would flat out fold.. even 60% is a little to bad of odds. if he has Q10 i still dont like those odds.

reason. because i rather they call my all in then me call an all in b4 the bubble.

reason. im gonna steal so many dam hands after i fold this one that its not even worth it so call here because 99% of the time i raise after this hand i'll steal .

but if i think 60% is the best odds im gonna have to make ITM then fine i'll take this bet.

my guess is if i fold i'll make itm 80% and prolly hit first half of that time. i really dont think a coin flip this early is remotly worth it at this point

elonkra
06-19-2005, 10:24 PM
what treeofwisdom said

with no other info, this is a clear fold, because fold equity is everything