JJ or KK, do you play flop with an Ace differently

[microbet]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t1205)
SB (t1835)
BB (t1943)
UTG (t945)
UTG+1 (t865)
MP1 (t842)
Hero (t910)
CO (t1455)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, CO calls t100, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: (t345) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero....?

What do you do with KK and what do you do with JJ?

Really just talking about the flop - not preflop - this isn't from a real hand anyway.

[Dr_Jeckyl_00]

Bet at it once, same size bet as your PF bet, your hand is too good (he could have another PP or an Ace.) If he calls your bet, move into check-call mode, if he raises... fold.

[elonkra]

Right or wrong, I'm probably varying my flop betting between 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot with either hand, and folding to a re-raise more frequently than calling--both actions depend on my reads and on my opponent's specific response in the particular hand.

[microbet]

How about if you cut the blinds and the preflop bets in half?

Also, what if you turn the Jacks into Tens?

What I'm getting at is the possibility of betting out with the smaller PP, but checking with Kings.

[Bigwig]

Oh, I might play them slightly different. But not by much. The A is an overcard that must treated differently than other overs, for obvious reasons.

BTW, betting out the size of the pot on this flop with KK or JJ is not good poker.

[KramerTM]

I don't know about going into check-calling mode. More like check-folding mode if he calls my flop bet and starts betting at on the turn.

Check-raising is horrible here, right? Too many chips in jeopardy in a realtively small pot?

[ilya]

I am more likely to bet JJ.

[Matt R.]

I lead out with either for t200-225 in this instance. I tend to lean towards checking and more willing to give up as my stack gets smaller though (I'd probably check the flop quite a bit more frequently if I only had 700 behind after the preflop raise).

[curtains]

I bet like 150-175 and see what they do. It's an unpleasant situation, but they fold enough to make it profitable. Of course if they won't bluff when you check, you should obviously check...

I don't know I just bet here because I don't want to give them the chance to bluff easily.

[lastchance]

What happens when you're afraid of people value betting 8's or 3's? (yes, this is more likely than getting bluffed when your opponents are donks)

[curtains]

Thats why I recommend betting /images/graemlins/smile.gif It's really annoying situation though of course, but that's how I'd lean towards handling it.

[microbet]

If you thought they were unlikely to bluff, would you still lead out with Jacks or Tens to protect your hand?

p.s.

This hand was taken (sort of - I had to make up positions and stacks) from Theory of Poker, which I'm reading now.

[Myst]

Its really situational dependent. If they are capable of bluffing, bet. If they are ABC, then dont bet.

[johnnybeef]

I usually bet about 175-200 here. Remember that an ace can many times be just as scary to them as it is to you.

[Unarmed]

I check. F*ck, I check more than anyone on this board. /images/graemlins/grin.gif
The board is bone dry.
Too many people would check AK/AA here to make bluffing a smart move for Villain. Fortunately, the Villain that will check behind with an ace here is pretty rare as well.

Oops, sorry I check JJ as well, but if you made me bet one it'd be the jacks.

[microbet]

I'm not saying Sklansky says either bet or check regardless of reads or stacks or whatever, but he was just saying you would bet out the Jacks, but not the Kings because you didn't fear a free card as much with the Kings.

When you bet out with Kings if you are thinking that you are just making a continuation bet to take the pot, regardless of your opponent's cards, you might not have good reasoning. You are either far ahead or far behind, and unlike KK as an overpair, you don't have to worry about an Ace hitting. Protecting yourself from a likely bluff seems like a good reason, but you probably shouldn't just assume a random player will bluff.

[Iridox]

I limp JJ preflop.

I'm betting 1/2-2/3 of the pot with KK or JJ on the flop, then going into check-fold if called.

[ChuckyB]

First off...shouldn't that pot be 245? (100+100+sb15+bb30) If I'm missing something, forget I wrote that.

Anyway...with any pair above the second pair on the board I bet 50-80 per cent of the pot. If it's KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99 I'm betting out. He could be as scared of the ace as I am (KQs, lower pocket pair, etc.) Then react. If he pops it, I'm beat and with no draw, it's over.
If a brick comes, I either bet or check depending on the opponent. If he bets following a check, I curse and muck.