I really f**ed this AA hand up, 20+2

[gildwulf]

Guidance please...I know this is horrible but I honestly can't think of a situation where all my chips are not going in the middle no matter what street. If I check and he pushes on the turn I would probably call. If he checks on the turn and a blank comes on the river I would probably push. If he checks on the turn and pushes on the river I would probably call. Help.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP3 (t1600)
CO (t1120)
Button (t830)
SB (t770)
BB (t785)
Hero (t800)
UTG+1 (t390)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t905)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t100</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, BB calls t85.

Flop: (t210) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, BB calls t200.

Turn: (t610) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t500 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t485 (All-In).

River: (t1595) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1595

[pearljam]

I like the way you played it, except I would raise 85-95 pre flop, get more callers.

[wiggs73]

Yeah, I lose all my chips on this hand. I would have made a smaller pre-flop raise though, probably around 75 or so. Post-flop though, you had no reason to suspect that you didn't have the best hand.

[gildwulf]

I raise big with AA and KK preflop because at 10s and 20s you can get paid off by hands like AQ, KQ, KJ, and small pocket pairs.

Thanks for the reassurance, I thought I was a complete donk.

[Karak567]

Preflop raise is too big.

Other than that it looks standard.

[gildwulf]

When I first started posting here you guys said my preflop raises with AA and KK were too small (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&amp;Number=2531901&amp;page=&amp;view=&amp;sb=5&amp; o=&amp;vc=1) (4-5 times BB). Now they are too big. Make up your mind:P

[NYCNative]

The other hand you were raising into a pot with several limpers. Here, you were acting first. Big difference.

[Karak567]

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The other hand you were raising into a pot with several limpers. Here, you were acting first. Big difference.

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[lastchance]

There's more money in the pot. That dictates the size of your raise.

[gildwulf]

You're right that there's a big difference. But shouldn't I capitalize on people's loose calling standards at the 10s and 20s? I see people call these kinds of raises with any two face cards or low pocket pair regularly. I'm not going to raise like 200 at the 15/30, but at the 10/15 when all the donks have yet to be culled, I usually get at least 1 caller with 100 raises.

[lastchance]

That's why you raise to 75 and not 45. Still, donkishness happens, but you don't want them thinking anything of the size of your pf raise... Meh, I suppose 100 is fine.

[RobGW]

Why is this so horrible? The PF raise looks a little big but so what? You got a caller. Raising to $75 isn't going to change the results of this hand. Now, since you are determined to call this down why are you betting it all on the turn?

[treeofwisdom7]

at some point in your poker life your gonna have to put people on hands. if you do so you will see that your opp could have a queen really the only hand your opp could be calling with is a stronger hand on the turn.

but im not that good yet so go all in /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Karak567]

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at some point in your poker life your gonna have to put people on hands. if you do so you will see that your opp could have a queen really the only hand your opp could be calling with is a stronger hand on the turn.

but im not that good yet so go all in /images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Come on this is a Partypoker 20 + 2... we can't give the villain THAT much credit.

In the WSOP, maybe.

Here, no way!

[lastchance]

Ditto. Can't give opponent credit for a queen here. Still, a check might be in order on the turn, since the free card doesn't really hurt after betting the flop. And you're pretty much losing all of you chips here.

[durron597]

Use position to your advantage. Check behind on the turn and call any river bet.

[lastchance]

You're value betting the river, right? (well, at least most rivers)

[Benholio]

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Use position to your advantage. Check behind on the turn and call any river bet.

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I like this line. Your opponent will often bet less than all-in on the river when he has the Q. If he doesn't have the Q, he is most likely drawing to 2 outs, so giving a card isn't going to hurt you.

Pushing on the turn doesn't make you any chips. There aren't any draws, so you are basically getting called when you are behind and taking the pot when you are ahead.

[durron597]

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You're value betting the river, right? (well, at least most rivers)

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Yes. He can't know that I have aces, so if he checks the river with a boat he gets my chips.

[Blarg]

If the action started on him instead of you, and he bet when the second queen hit, it would be one thing, but I don't think you can blame yourself for the cards coming out the way they did and your actions in response. I'm not even sure how I would feel about your not calling him if the action was on him first.

I do agree that you bet too big preflop. Besides getting potentially more money in the pot by betting smaller, you could also put the willies into people a bit by making them think that you might surprise them with something dangerous sometimes even when your better appears pretty moderate. Good advertising value. It's not hugely important, but if it gets down to two or three remaining players and you complete the small blind heads up, you might get to see a free flop instead of getting spiked with a raise for showing weakness. A little fear put into people is a handy thing.

[Blarg]

Doh my bad. The action DID start on him. Serves me right for doing too many things at once.

[gildwulf]

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Use position to your advantage. Check behind on the turn and call any river bet.

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I really like this play. The double check threw me off though...

[freemoney]

i think alot of you guys learned how to play SnG's without ever realy learning poker and postflop play, the board is the MOST drawless board in history, you have to check behind on the turn you arent pushing him off a better hand so ley him bluff into you on the river if he doesnt have a queen. the only thing you can do here is check behind.