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QTip

06-18-2005, 10:17 AM

I've been trying to work on overcards in multiway pots. How do these two look, and note the difference on the flop. These were played back to back at different tables.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (6.75 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks.

River: (6.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, UTG+2 calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

compared to:

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (5 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 6 BB

Nick C

06-18-2005, 10:26 AM

I think the flop bet is all right in Hand 1 so long as the table was passive and you weren't terribly concerned about getting checkraised and thought there was a good chance you'd get checked to again on the turn. The possibility that you'll buy the button is of course another incentive to bet. Still, I don't really like the cards on the flop a whole lot.

I'm surprised the turn bet worked so well in Hand 2. I know you got checked to twice, but it seems like a board where someone is going to find some reason to call (or checkraise).

thejameser

06-18-2005, 10:28 AM

not bad. this is something i am working on as well. in the past i found myself too tight if i don't hit the flop and it was costing me money with hands that were profitable to stay on. there can be such a fine line with overcards that don't hit the board. i've usually raised/reraised pf with them so the pot is often significant enough to try to draw on if not too coordinated. similar to your first hand, a good flop to bet because you have a reasonable chance of the best hand there or folding a better one, or winning it right there. the second was a good play, the flush draw gives you plenty of reason to not bet this flop. i am curious as to what you would do if a A /images/graemlins/heart.gif or K /images/graemlins/heart.gif were to come.

QTip

06-18-2005, 10:44 AM

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i am curious as to what you would do if a A /images/graemlins/heart.gif or K /images/graemlins/heart.gif were to come.

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Bet.

QTip

06-18-2005, 10:45 AM

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I'm surprised the turn bet worked so well in Hand 2

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Honestly, I was too. I thought I throw a bet in there and see what happened. It was my last bet going into the pot.

thejameser

06-18-2005, 10:46 AM

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i am curious as to what you would do if a A /images/graemlins/heart.gif or K /images/graemlins/heart.gif were to come.

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Bet.

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i kind of figured that, stupid question after looking at the AJs hand you posted earlier.

QTip

06-18-2005, 10:47 AM

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The possibility that you'll buy the button is of course another incentive to bet.

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That was the foremost thought on my mind at the time...buy the button and maybet get a free card on a flop that was not draw heavy, where 1 pair is very likely to be good if I hit.

Nick C

06-18-2005, 11:14 AM

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I'm surprised the turn bet worked so well in Hand 2

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Honestly, I was too. I thought I throw a bet in there and see what happened. It was my last bet going into the pot.

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I may have been drawing from this recent experience when I responded (this table was more loose-passive than 3/6 usually is):

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (4.16 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls.

River: (8.16 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Hero folds, BB folds.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

I think it's possible I got my flop and turn actions backwards in this one.

thejameser

06-18-2005, 11:29 AM

yeah, with a loose table, there was more value in taking the free turn card because you are likely getting called down regardless. take the infinite turn odds.

me454555

06-18-2005, 12:52 PM

Hand 1

I check the flop through and take the free card b/c I don't think a bet accomplishes much as the pot is big and I may not get the free card on the turn

Hand 2

Looks good. I prefer that line of play over the first w/more people in the pot