Critique my play at the 20+2

[gildwulf]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t585)
SB (t998)
BB (t810)
Hero (t1610)
MP1 (t900)
MP2 (t710)
CO (t2387)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif.
Hero calls t30, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t100</font>, BB folds, Hero calls t100, Button folds.

Turn: (t320) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t425</font>, SB re-raises all-in, Hero calls t443.

River: (t1338) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t1338

[gildwulf]

anyone?

[4T25Q85]

you got him all-in, what more could you ask for.

[lastchance]

I think calling the flop is bad here. You're not seeing the river cheaply, there are a bunch of outs that can beat you, you're drawing to nothing, and most importantly, you're probably beat right now.

[Isura]

Flop call seems bad, and you really need a read to consider playing it this way. I'd fold the flop.

[DasLeben]

I fold the flop for sure. No reason to go risking significant portions of your stack with an overcard on the board in level 2.

Disclaimer: Drinking in celebration of my new job, so don't take anything I say seriously tonight. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[gildwulf]

Ok, you guys don't consider he is betting flush draw, straight draw, overcards, etc, etc? This seems pretty tight-weak to lay down on the flop. Anyway, take a look at my stack...to use Gigabet's metaphor, my block of chips isn't going to be much affected by calling 100 but taking all his chips (implied odds, of course) would definitely change my position in the tourney. I wouldn't have called the 100 with 800 chips...

[PokerCat69]

how often is the third 7 coming on the turn?
What would your play have been if the turn was not a 7?

[gildwulf]

If a clean 5 or 9 shows up I would stay for cheap. Otherwise, fold. Anywhere from 1300-1800 chips is pretty much the same to me at this point in the tourney.

You are also discounting the times he is betting overcards and draws and checks to me on the turn.

[gildwulf]

I'm not saying the flop isn't a loose call.

[Dan Rutter]

What card are you planning on hitting with your implied odds that will bring you the confidence to call the SBs remaining 898 chips if he fires again on the turn? You hit it I guess. I would fold this flop.

[gildwulf]

OK there seems to be unanimous agreement on the flop call so I will concede. But one last point...the difference between 1610 and 1510 chips is meaningless to me...this is half a blind steal later on. The difference between 1610 and 2500 chips is huge though. I guess this is in the line of thinking to take a slightly -EV play in order to increase my chances of placing 1st.

[wookie]

fair enough that the 100 isn't going to kill you - but there are very few turn cards that will be as easy to play as the one of two outs you were fortunate enough to hit. Most turn cards will require you to make a quick exit - and others will require you to hang on for more of your stack. A 5 on the turn and you are forced to decide how much you are willing to call to draw on the river - you are in a reactive mode with chips bleeding out. And the 5d (or 9d) could really ruin your day.

It's as likely as overcards that he paired the 8 on the flop, and I'm guessing he had 87 and improved on the river from the way he led out... - w

[gildwulf]

I agree with everything you just said. But you are [all] ignoring the fact that 7s are good here maybe...15% of the time (at least at the 10s and 20s)...people like face cards (and draws) an awful lot at this level and tend to bet them strongly on a missed flop.

[gildwulf]

You were very close. He had 89s.

[lastchance]

But what happens when the guy fires another t200 out at the turn? There's no way to play this hand for great implied odds, you have 2 clean outs, plus runner-runner draws, which only count for like an extra out.

Sevens may be good here 15% of the time, but those overcards can really kill you, plus the player acting behind.

The flop call is just bleeding chips to hands like 89s IMHO.

[gildwulf]

You're right. The more I think about this the more I think I should have folded the flop.

[future]

He calls half a bet from the SB so he could have a wide range of hands. Most importantly, he bets into 3 players on the flop. I can't see him (semi)bluffing in that spot.