A way to get more fish in the pond

[UATrewqaz]

If it wever VERY easy to deposit money, through any method instantly, then there would be a huge boom of fish. There are alot of probably very crappy players who would want to play poker online but don't want to go through alot of hte hassel to set up net wallets and worry about the time to cash in/out, etc.

Just a thought, agree/disagree?

[atnels]

Don't you think that a credit card is about as easy as it could be? What do you think would be easier?

[dawade]

I agree wholeheartedly, Firepay and NETeller make me wanna rip my hair out sometimes. Since I'm only 18 and haven't established any kind of credit, NETeller went on a huge deal about how they needed me to call and get a certificate from my local SS office saying that I was who I was and my SS was legit and all of this crap. I was so frustated, but it was worth it because I like NT a lot better than FP.

[UATrewqaz]

I think I've used a credit card successfully once of all the bunches of times I wanted to deposit, either on PP or other sites. Every time i try it gets declined cause so many credit places don't let you use your card for "gaming" or whatever. I think one of my cards worked once on Paradise... If credit companies would lift their restrictions on online poker that would be good enough.

[dawade]

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Don't you think that a credit card is about as easy as it could be? What do you think would be easier?

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I used the credit card method for about a few months until I got my FP and NETeller accounts set up. Granted, I never really had enough $$$ to justifty a cashout but say a fish hits a big hand on a NL table and doubles up their $100 and they decide enough is enough. Now they have to wait like 3 weeks for a check to arrive unless they have FP or NT.

[irishpint]

i use IGMPAY and love it. its easy and faster. i hate neteller.

[atnels]

I guess I haven't tried with a credit card in a while - I just use Neteller to shuttle $ in and out.

The only thing I could think of is that PP could give new players a startup line, like $25 or even $50. With all the bonuses that are given, plus their rake, that wouldn't be anything for them.

I don't know what would prevent players from just totally donking it all away, and it would probably never happen anyhow.

[atnels]

Yeah, the bank deposit fee for Neteller is gay.

[UATrewqaz]

I use IGM pay on PP too. It's great cuz it's straight from my bank account to PP and vice versa. It's kinda slow to show up on your bank statement for some reason but it works great. The only other site I've found where you can deposit instantly straight from your checking account and then cash out same way is Bodog, which has very loose tables but very low traffic and I hate the "bigness" of the tables there. There bonuses are also really hard to clear in ring games, much easier if you prefer SNG.


As for the startup line idea, its' good, but it would be donk'ed away. It'd be great for the real players as it would just throw tons of loose money in the player pool and alot of it would inevitably wind up in our pockets.

There are two sites (Pacific and Royal Vegas) that will give you $10 free to play win. I signed up at RV for this very reason, determined to either bust or build it up big. I won $1.00 at NL to have enough for a $10+1 3 table SNG and went out in 8th when my two pair got busted by a straight /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[einbert]

This is obviously something you should be putting your time and effort towards.

[Greg J]

You will see a REAL poker boom online if/when online poker become unambigously legal in the U.S. This will make it much easier to deposit money.

[UATrewqaz]

If the government can figure out a good way to tax the crap out of it I think we'll see full legality soon enough.

[Greg J]

Not if Jon Kyl (Senator, R-AZ) has his way.

Technically we are violating WTO rules though. It might only be a matter of time, and much depends on the justice department of the next adminstration.

[bozlax]

It never ceases to amaze me that eBay/PayPal hasn't hooked up with any of the online casinos. PayPal accounts are nearly ubiquitous online, now, and I can't believe that it's ok for someone to sell Britney Spear's chewed gum but they have a problem with poker. Yeesh!

Personally, I started out using ePassporte. No fees, same limitations as iGMPay and you can load it from a credit card. Now that I've set up a separate checking account for my "personal" funds, I'm shifting some of it to iGMPay, but keeping the ePassporte account funded as well since it's super-fast (I can get a cash-out/cash-in for a bonus done in about 2 hours most of the time).

I also don't think it's any one thing that keeps people away. I think it's the combination of questionable legality in the U.S., difficulty of depositing funds, questions about the fairness of the games (even a couple of people that I know and respect that play a lot online say the games are rigged!), and just a sort of general feeling that by playing poker online you're "doing something wrong" (my buddy who works on Wall Street is worried about the SEC coming down on him if he plays online poker) that's keeping more people out.

[Greg J]

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...and I can't believe that it's ok for someone to sell Britney Spear's chewed gum but they have a problem with poker.

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"They" (ebay) don't. The justice dept... that is another story.

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I also don't think it's any one thing that keeps people away. I think it's the combination of questionable legality in the U.S., difficulty of depositing funds, questions about the fairness of the games (even a couple of people that I know and respect that play a lot online say the games are rigged!), and just a sort of general feeling that by playing poker online you're "doing something wrong" (my buddy who works on Wall Street is worried about the SEC coming down on him if he plays online poker) that's keeping more people out.

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I think this is a pretty fair assessment, but if it became legal and subject to oversight/regulation by the U.S. govt that would go a long way toward the whole legitimacy problem.

[UATrewqaz]

Yeah, if some US companies began running online poker sites alot of the "shady" factor would go away. People would be less likely to think it's rigged if it were a "real" company and not some over seas thing.

I'd love for online to enjoy the same loosness of B&M.

I've played B&M once in my life, went with some friends to Tunica for a few days. Had a run of real shitty cards and luck to finish down about $200 playing 3/6. I distinctly remember one hand and will for the rest of my life. Some big fat moron student from Ole Miss was at the table talking about how he and all his buddies play poker all the time, etc.

I get a JTs in MP and limp in (he's already limped from UTG). Flop comes JJ6 (lovely).

Long story short, pot is over $200 when I flip over my JT and he reveals his J4 offsuit (river was a 4, giving me a full house).

Never in my life have I wanted to smash somebody in the face as much as that moment. Apparently in his many many hours of playing with his buddies nobody informed him J4o wasn't exactly a spectacular hand from UTG.

[Wetdog]

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I also don't think it's any one thing that keeps people away. I think it's the combination of questionable legality in the U.S., difficulty of depositing funds, questions about the fairness of the games (even a couple of people that I know and respect that play a lot online say the games are rigged!), and just a sort of general feeling that by playing poker online you're "doing something wrong" (my buddy who works on Wall Street is worried about the SEC coming down on him if he plays online poker) that's keeping more people out.

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Another thing that will slow down acceptance of online poker by the US government is the loss of ability to track the money to prevent money laundering and terrorist activities. Without complete cooperation from the offshore sites and e-wallets they can't track the money.