$215 SNG level 3 hand

[DarrenX]

No relevant reads...

Comments? My results and thoughts later...

***** Hand History for Game 2203388100 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13073260) - Mon Jun 13 22:22:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 11131 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mush00 (795)
Seat 2: Mooon33 (570)
Seat 3: Jints91 (840)
Seat 4: ineimesis (652)
Seat 5: STOP_Drawing (1540)
Seat 6: Maxrob (755)
Seat 7: DarrenX (955)
Seat 8: projecteros (1163)
Seat 9: Thomas_007 (1835)
Seat 10: Munchausen1 (895)
Maxrob posts small blind (25)
DarrenX posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DarrenX [ 9d, 7d ]
projecteros calls (50)
Thomas_007 folds.
Munchausen1 folds.
mush00 calls (50)
Mooon33 folds.
Jints91 folds.
ineimesis folds.
STOP_Drawing folds.
Maxrob calls (25)
DarrenX checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, Td, 6d ]
Maxrob checks.
DarrenX checks.
projecteros checks.
mush00 bets (200)
Maxrob folds.
DarrenX calls (200)
projecteros folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
DarrenX bets (705)
DarrenX is all-In.

[kyro]

Who's up for splitting the SNG forum into different levels? I would never make this play even at the $55s, but it may work at the higher levels.

[benza13]

I'm with you, but then again I'm down at the 11s and 22s, so my advice is probably useless on this. As far as the actual hand, I can't see myself making the move either. I've missed the turn, probably a check fold, unless he bets small or checks fearing the 6 (which I doubt).

[45suited]

Well, considering villain limped from EP on level 3 with only t795, I don't really think you can put him on a 6 or an ace. The only other possible hand I could see him having is a pair of tens. Some people MIGHT limp with this in this spot (not me). Possibly 77-99.

So I think that given that you could have had anything playing from the blinds, my guess is that this play will work quite often. Especially since I view his flop bet as a sign of weakness really.

What happened?

[hansarnic]

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No relevant reads...

Comments? My results and thoughts later...

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I don't like it. Agree with the check, but I prefer push or fold when it's back to me. By getting tricky you give him a free card to hit his overs on the turn, in which case you may now get a call. If he has a PP<TT he folds the flop if you CR him all-in and he's going nowhere if he has a 6 either way. So I'm not sure what extra FE you get by the SNG.

Anyhow, I've probably missed something so looking forward to your explanation....

[FieryJustice]

Again...are you trying to lose? I see no reason to get involved with a crappy flush draw in the early levels when a pair is already on the board.

[microbet]

I assume you were planning on pushing any turn when you called the flop. Is that true?

I don't think it is good, but not terrible. The problem is the Villian's stack is too short.

His bet on the turn was either a 6, a Ten, a Draw, Overs (an Ace?), or a complete bluff. Considering his stack and what is in the pot he will call with most of those.

[microbet]

I don't mean to be saying that even he had a bigger stack you should necessarily make this bluff. You gotta have good timing for bluffs and it's hard to endorse one out of context.

[Apathy]

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Again...are you trying to lose? I see no reason to get involved with a crappy flush draw in the early levels when a pair is already on the board.

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You know he has an inside str8 draw too right? And that big flop bet is not coming from a FH or trips....

Your bluff will be called by A-10, but K-10, Q-10 and J-10 should fold.

[Fortitude]

215 is my regular game and I'd never make this call. In fact, I wouldn't make this call at any limit.

[DarrenX]

[ QUOTE ]
No relevant reads...

Comments? My results and thoughts later...

***** Hand History for Game 2203388100 *****
50/100 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 13073260) - Mon Jun 13 22:22:46 EDT 2005
Table Table 11131 (Real Money) -- Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: mush00 (795)
Seat 2: Mooon33 (570)
Seat 3: Jints91 (840)
Seat 4: ineimesis (652)
Seat 5: STOP_Drawing (1540)
Seat 6: Maxrob (755)
Seat 7: DarrenX (955)
Seat 8: projecteros (1163)
Seat 9: Thomas_007 (1835)
Seat 10: Munchausen1 (895)
Maxrob posts small blind (25)
DarrenX posts big blind (50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DarrenX [ 9d, 7d ]
projecteros calls (50)
Thomas_007 folds.
Munchausen1 folds.
mush00 calls (50)
Mooon33 folds.
Jints91 folds.
ineimesis folds.
STOP_Drawing folds.
Maxrob calls (25)
DarrenX checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 6s, Td, 6d ]
Maxrob checks.
DarrenX checks.
projecteros checks.
mush00 bets (200)
Maxrob folds.
DarrenX calls (200)
projecteros folds.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ac ]
DarrenX bets (705)
DarrenX is all-In.

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Wow- thanks for the responses.

He folded. My thought process: A full pot bet I took as a sign of weakness (as at least one of you agrees), possibly a draw, possibly any pocket pair. I figured an all-in check-raise would reek of a draw, so I called, planning to push the turn on any blank. When the ace came, I hesitated but pushed anyway, figuring if he had an ace, it may look like I was hoping he hit it, representing a 6. As it was, this was only a semi-bluff as I figured on 12 outs, possibly 15-18 if he was brave enough to call with an underpair. My biggest worry was he was on an Axs flush draw... yeah, it worked out- not my typical move and not sure it's a high-percentage one. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[KramerTM]

I'm merely a 33 player, but this move seems very risky. I agree with the comments about this being even more suspect because of the Villain's relatively small stack.

Something interesting from these replies though... do you guys find that it is true more often than not that a pot-size bet is a sign of weakness? How about when someone bets an inordinate amount (2-3 times size of pot)? Is this a sign of extreme weakness? I suppose the logic makes sense (increasing the bet to increase FE on a weak hand), but doesn't the increased risk-reward ratio make it incorrect to call with draws?

[DarrenX]

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Again...are you trying to lose? I see no reason to get involved with a crappy flush draw in the early levels when a pair is already on the board.

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I'll be the first to admit I may be coming down with a case of FPS... however, I'm not sending my typical ABC plays because those are no fun, now are they? /images/graemlins/grin.gif