Another Intro Hand - Two pair vs. Aggro

[minttea]

Hello everyone,

Mercantides apologized earlier for making an opening post with a hand, but I hope it's ok - I certainly am not experienced enough to give advice on other threads!

This hand is from an .05/.10 table at Prima where I had just sat down, manually converted because Playcheck is completely broken for me (sorry). The hand history didn't have pot sizes, so I calculated unraked ones which will be a few cents off.

I hadn't been at the table long, but I saw the Villain as being fairly aggressive and maybe in too many pots. The read I have on him now would have made this hand easy to play - I can explain more later.

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9-handed .05/.10 LHE

Hero is on BB with $4.80
Villain is on SB with $20.93

Hero is dealt [J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2/images/graemlins/club.gif]

<font color="gray">1 fold</font>, 2 calls, <font color="gray">2 folds</font>, 1 call, Villain completes, Hero checks.

Flop(~5SB): [6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif]

<font color="red">Villain bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, <font color="gray">3 folds</font>, <font color="red">Villain re-raises</font>, <font color="red">Hero caps</font>, Villain calls.

Turn(~6BB): [6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif] [A/images/graemlins/heart.gif]

<font color="red">Villain bets</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises</font>, Villain calls.

River(~10BB): [6/images/graemlins/spade.gif J/images/graemlins/club.gif 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif] [A/images/graemlins/heart.gif] [7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif]

<font color="red">Villain bets</font>, Hero?

Should I slow down here? Should I have earlier? Thanks for any comments.

(edit: changed "Villain calls" to "Villain completes")

[istewart]

If your read is solid I don't mind it so far. Here I just call.

[irishpint]

well you can't fold. and if you raise you might 1. lose, 2. get 3bet, 3. he'll fold. so i think i just call, since we could be up against a set or a larger 2 pair here. he seems not to care that you raised his turn bet. that scares me, but it's also the sign of a bad player paying no attention.

it's actually really weird, because if the 7 helped him, wouldn;t he try to check raise and get us for 2 bets?? So maybe we ought to raise this....

[Iq75]

Hi,

i started in prima 0.05/0.10 2,5 months ago and it's a good place to learn (as same as prima 0.10/0.20). When i moved up to 0.25/0.50 i found out that making money in there is like grinding stone. The tables have avarege of 3-4,5 players seeing the flop. I can find much much much looser games in other casinos even in 0.50/1, where i currently play. I suspect that it is possible to find looser tables than that even higher.

What comes to this hand i have like no idea what this guy could possible have. Everythig looks goood to me so far and obviosly you cannot fold the river. I prob. would just call.

[Duerig]

I call the river.

[jrz1972]

Just call the river. You must show this hand down, but villain sure seems to like whatever he's holding. My guess is you're either losing to something like 66 or AJ, or you're beating a busted flush draw.

FWIW, I will often just call the flop 3-bet with the intention of raising the turn when villain bets out. I don't make this play every single time, but it's something to keep in mind when HU against an aggressive opponent.

[minttea]

Well, the consensus is clearly call the river. That's not what I did, and given what I had on him at the time the raise was surely wrong, but I think I was feeling that if he had me beat on the turn (AJ, set, etc) I would have gotten reraised, and the 7 was pretty blank. I should keep those feelings under control. /images/graemlins/smile.gif


I raised, he reraised, I called, he showed down J7 with no flush draw.

Playing this hand against someone else in the future, I hope I would call - I think you've all convinced me it would a good idea. Playing against this guy again, given his play patterns for the remaining hour he was at the table, I would raise it again because he proved himself to be pretty insane, and I think he would have bet me all the other times that he missed the river.

Not that this hand shows his insanity - I think he played it fine and got lucky, although I think in this case it was mostly coincedence that he played it fine.

I would have liked to play more hands against him, since he was tossing dimes all over the place, but I got my first ever stretch of 50-60 hands where I didn't have anything good enough to see the flop with.

Thanks for your comments, everyone.

[minttea]

Also, with regards to Prima micro tightness, for some reason the .05/.10 games have gotten ultra-tight lately, for games where the average pot size wouldn't buy a cup of gas station coffee (a lot of times averaging 3-5 to the flop).

I don't know why it is, but I'm not liking it and I'm thinking of reading up and experimenting with Stars $5 NL because it's the only other game on the internet I have a bankroll for. /images/graemlins/smile.gif (except the Prima .05/.10 Omaha8 game, which I like very much, but it doesn't run much and I kind of see Omaha8 as a dead end)