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ArturiusX
06-15-2005, 11:01 PM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero ???

I'll post the rest as it goes along. No read on the villian, except he raises a bit postflop. 20/20 so far after 10 hands.
sy_or_bust
06-15-2005, 11:06 PM
If you're not comfortable folding outright (which isn't terrible), you should call and lead the turn. Against most opponents, though, I have no problem folding on the flop here. Even if Button is on a draw, MP2 will very often hold an ace.
ArturiusX
06-15-2005, 11:10 PM
I thought folding outright was a bit weak, considering this guy likes to raise. Here's the rest:

calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (11.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB
og5
06-15-2005, 11:37 PM
I like it. What is the purpose of SNGing the turn?
ArturiusX
06-15-2005, 11:43 PM
I was planning to call down unless another overcard came.
chesspain
06-15-2005, 11:45 PM
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I thought folding outright was a bit weak, considering this guy likes to raise.

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"...considering this guy likes to raise?"

Huh?..the guy raised two of the ten hands preflop he played, and then raised again with these hands post-flop?

Unless you saw him showdown a weak hand he overplayed, don't you think it's possible that maybe he was dealt two strong hands within those first ten hands?
ArturiusX
06-15-2005, 11:52 PM
Umm, no, the read was weak, but every time hes had a decision its been 'raise'.

Even after 10 hands, its a read none the less. I'm not betting the book on it, but more point was more this isnt a 40/0/.1 passive.
ihardlyknowher
06-16-2005, 12:01 AM
Call and lead on a non-diamond turn.
chesspain
06-16-2005, 12:06 AM
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Umm, no, the read was weak, but every time hes had a decision its been 'raise'.

Even after 10 hands, its a read none the less. I'm not betting the book on it, but more point was more this isnt a 40/0/.1 passive.

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FWIW, I have never heard someone use the phrase "every time" in a situation where N=2. Nonetheless, using your so-called read to justify calling the flop raise and then calling the turn bet with the Button still left to act behind you seems pretty bad.
ArturiusX
06-16-2005, 12:09 AM
"Seems pretty bad" isn't very helpful. Why is it bad?
KDawgCometh
06-16-2005, 12:12 AM
I'm actually leaning towards folding that flop. Its not just the ace, but the straight and flush draws that also create a worry here. If we spike a queen, it could complete some sort of draw here. I don't think that we have the best hand here enough times to justify a call on the button raise.
chesspain
06-16-2005, 12:18 AM
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"Seems pretty bad" isn't very helpful. Why is it bad?

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On the turn, after MP2 bets into both of you, on what rough range of hands are you putting both players?
rmarotti
06-16-2005, 12:55 AM
Overcalling on this river is pretty bad.
ArturiusX
06-16-2005, 12:57 AM
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Overcalling on this river is pretty bad.

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Agreed.
rmarotti
06-16-2005, 01:03 AM
I must be drunk. I thought you did actually overcall the river. Whoops.
youdnf
06-16-2005, 01:10 AM
Dont bet out on the flop, and fold to a bet...that simple. If it checks around on the flop then you might be able to think you have the best hand, but I would say 95% of the time on this flop you dont.
aK13
06-16-2005, 01:30 AM
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Dont bet out on the flop, and fold to a bet...that simple. If it checks around on the flop then you might be able to think you have the best hand, but I would say 95% of the time on this flop you dont.

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Weak.
ArturiusX
06-16-2005, 02:45 AM
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Dont bet out on the flop, and fold to a bet...that simple. If it checks around on the flop then you might be able to think you have the best hand, but I would say 95% of the time on this flop you dont.

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Looking at your 12 posts so far, all of them appear to have extremely weak advice.