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1C5
06-15-2005, 10:59 PM
Party 22. Standard?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button (t945)
SB (t785)
BB (t740)
UTG (t785)
UTG+1 (t785)
UTG+2 (t830)
MP1 (t825)
MP2 (t740)
Hero (t770)
CO (t795)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t50</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB calls t40, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t35.

Flop: (t165) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t100</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, SB folds, UTG+1 calls t200.

Turn: (t765) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t420 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 calls t420.

River: (t1605) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1605
wiggs73
06-15-2005, 11:23 PM
Yeah, I think it's ok. I think you likely had the best hand when the chips went in and he made a flush on the river... I could also see you winning over a lower pocket pair.

Interestingly, if he had 2 overs to your JJ and they were both diamonds, I think you might have actually been a slight dog after the flop. I'll have to check Cardplayer's odds calculator (cardplayer is down now), but I'd like to see.
wiggs73
06-16-2005, 12:10 AM
Ran the odds... I gave villian A9 of diamonds. You're only a 56.5% favorite on the flop with villian holding that. You're much larger of a favorite on the turn, and this is quite likely irrelevant to the hand anyway, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, I'd love to find out what happened, hopefully you'll get some other replies though.

FWIW I probably play the hand the same as you did.
lastchance
06-16-2005, 12:12 AM
Make it 740 on the flop?

I don't know, just seems to be a tough spot if an overcard flops on the turn.

Pretty standard.
45suited
06-16-2005, 01:10 AM
I would've played this hand almost exactly the same as you did. Maybe a slightly larger pre-flop raise, but it probably wouldn't have made a difference in the hand. I would've played the flop and turn exactly the same as you did.
Ogre
06-16-2005, 01:46 AM
this is why i hate 800 chips start /images/graemlins/frown.gif
wookie
06-16-2005, 02:03 AM
I go all in on the flop in response to the villain's raise. Don't mess around - take the chips and run. I think you made it too easy for the draw to call on the flop - and you certainly didn't have enough left to prevent a call on the turn. A push on the flop makes his call an error. - w
Karak567
06-16-2005, 02:11 AM
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I go all in on the flop in response to the villain's raise. Don't mess around - take the chips and run. I think you made it too easy for the draw to call on the flop - and you certainly didn't have enough left to prevent a call on the turn. A push on the flop makes his call an error. - w

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Good post.
1C5
06-16-2005, 09:03 AM
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Ran the odds... I gave villian A9 of diamonds. You're only a 56.5% favorite on the flop with villian holding that. You're much larger of a favorite on the turn, and this is quite likely irrelevant to the hand anyway, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, I'd love to find out what happened, hopefully you'll get some other replies though.

FWIW I probably play the hand the same as you did.

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Good call. Hero had A5d. He was on a straight and flush draw.
wiggs73
06-16-2005, 11:18 AM
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Ran the odds... I gave villian A9 of diamonds. You're only a 56.5% favorite on the flop with villian holding that. You're much larger of a favorite on the turn, and this is quite likely irrelevant to the hand anyway, but I thought it was interesting. Anyway, I'd love to find out what happened, hopefully you'll get some other replies though.

FWIW I probably play the hand the same as you did.

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Good call. Hero had A5d. He was on a straight and flush draw.

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This actually makes him a 60/40 favorite after the flop (and only a 64/36 dog after the turn). I still don't think you could have played the hand very differently, but it's interesting to know the odds on these things, IMO.