The true number outs

[Acepimp05]

I have a qustion about the true number outs in this example.
I have A /images/graemlins/spade.gifk /images/graemlins/spade.gif Flop come 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif /images/graemlins/diamond.gif so it appears as if i have 15 outs.The 9 spades and 6 overcards but i can't count the ace of spades and the king of spades as outs towards overs beacuse they are going towards my spades so i have 15-2 outs= 13 outs which is 2.6 to 1.Is that the correct way to count outs in certain situations ?

[jason_t]

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I have a qustion about the true number outs in this example.
I have A /images/graemlins/spade.gifk /images/graemlins/spade.gif Flop come 9 /images/graemlins/spade.gif5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif /images/graemlins/diamond.gif so it appears as if i have 15 outs.The 9 spades and 6 overcards but i can't count the ace of spades and the king of spades as outs towards overs beacuse they are going towards my spades so i have 15-2 outs= 13 outs which is 2.6 to 1.Is that the correct way to count outs in certain situations ?

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There are nine /images/graemlins/spade.gifs left in the deck, three non-/images/graemlins/spade.gif As and three non-/images/graemlins/spade.gif Ks. Since 9 + 3 + 3 = 15, you have 15 outs to a pair or better.

Move to Micro-Limit. Or Beginners.

[bakku]

I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Acepimp05]

I posted this wrong my fault the hand expample was supposed to J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Flop is 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif Now i have 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif outs and queen of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif can make me a flush or stright so i should only cant them as 3 queens and same for the 7 i only count 3 of them beacuse you already counted 7 of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and the queen of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as a flus draw out therefore you have 15 outs not 17.

[bakku]

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I'm pretty sure you have no idea what you're talking about.

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[CallMeIshmael]

J-J-J-J-J-J-JJJJMALTZ!!

[jason_t]

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Move to Micro-Limit. Or Beginners.

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[Acepimp05]

You move down i said i scewed up now if you dont understand the 2nd example which is quite easy you move down jason t. its simple you cant count the queen and the 7 of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as the out for the stright and the flush therefore you have 15 outs.

[damaniac]

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You move down i said i scewed up now if you dont understand the 2nd example which is quite easy you move down jason t. its simple you cant count the queen and the 7 of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as the out for the stright and the flush therefore you have 15 outs.

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Ok you understand this...then what's your question?

[jason_t]

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You move down i said i scewed up now if you dont understand the 2nd example which is quite easy you move down jason t. its simple you cant count the queen and the 7 of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as the out for the stright and the flush therefore you have 15 outs.

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I know what is correct here. So does everyone else in this forum. If you're asking a question about this, move to Micro-Limit or Beginners.

[Acepimp05]

My qustion is why in the book SSH Does he give this example as 17 outs when it is 15 outs. And is it correct to count the outs like that ?

[Sinnister]

you 2+2ers can be real pricks either answer the question or dont

[jason_t]

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My qustion is why in the book SSH Does he give this example as 17 outs when it is 15 outs. And is it correct to count the outs like that ?

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Give a page number please. Is this in the partial outs section? The Evaluating the Flop section? The quizzes?

He's counting the overcards J and T as partial outs.

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Move to Micro-Limit. Or Beginners.

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[jason_t]

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you 2+2ers can be real pricks either answer the question or dont

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Practice what you preach, jackass.

Edit: He did a terrible job out indicating the nature of his question, jackass.

[brettbrettr]

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you 2+2ers can be real pricks either answer the question or dont

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See #6 (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=2629498&page=&view=&s b=5&o=&vc=1)

[chief444]

raise.

[anatta]

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raise.

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More mindless aggressive posturing. I would call here, if he is drawing, he will continue to bet on the river.

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[private joker]

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now if you dont understand the 2nd example which is quite easy you move down jason t

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[private joker]

And they said this forum was going to hell. Thank Christ real poker wizards like Ace Pimp are coming forward to ask burning &amp; provocative questions. SS has been reborn.

SS is dead! Long live SS!

[ihardlyknowher]

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I posted this wrong my fault the hand expample was supposed to J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif10 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif Flop is 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 8 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 2 /images/graemlins/spade.gif Now i have 9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif outs and queen of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif can make me a flush or stright so i should only cant them as 3 queens and same for the 7 i only count 3 of them beacuse you already counted 7 of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif and the queen of /images/graemlins/diamond.gif as a flus draw out therefore you have 15 outs not 17.

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You are counting right here, but forgetting about the overcard outs.