The Etiquitte of Peeking?

[KenProspero]

What's the official ettiquite in each of these situations.

1. Player at the table isn't good at protecting his cards, if you want, you can look at his hole cards a lot of the time.


2. Player doesn't flash is cards pre-flop, but whenever he tosses them into the muck, lifts them high so you can see what he was playing?

3. If we don't think 2 is ok, does this change if the player is tossing his cards when he's the last one to fold (so the hand isn't live at that point)? Does it matter if everyone at the table can see what he's doing?

[HddnR]

Is that not a tell?

[BOTW]

1. Quietly tell them once: "I can see your cards if you lift them like that. Protect your hand."

2. I assume he's lifting them high for a few people to see and then mucking--I'm telling him or the dealer about it until it stops (whether or not I'm one of the few).

[bholdr]

Any time that anyone is not protecting their cards, they are playing poorly (it's just another aspect of the game) and you should take full advantage of it. If they're flashing or exposing cards as they go into the muck, note what they were and use that info to understand the player and beat them. If they do go into the muck and one player sees them, another player that notices this has the right to ask to see them too, under the standard 'show one show all' rule.

[BOTW]

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...another player that notices this has the right to ask to see them too...

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Since this stuff slows down the game, I'd rather the player just not do it.

[SheridanCat]

In instance 1, I think it's kind to tell them they are flashing their cards once. If they don't change their habits, then you are free to do as you wish with a clear conscience. This is just my opinion; some will say that it's never right to use that information and some will say there's no obligation to tell the player he's flashing even once. One time seems fair to me - especially at a low limit game where the guy may never have played before. One night at Mandalay Bay I gave the guy to my right lessons on how to look at his cards - he'd never played outside a kitchen before.

Situation 2 is pretty common. A guy flips his cards into the muck, but he releases them too high and one or more flash. It happens all the time, and I have no problem using that information.

Everyone at the table will not have the same information for various reasons. I just don't think it's my position to tell people how to muck their cards.

Regards,

T

[El Cuchara]

I think in the end you've got to do what it takes to bring in the pot. If you've got info. tht will put you ahead, use it. do you think anyone else is going to lighten up on you?
Theres a line from rounders that seems appropriate, "the nicer the person, the worser the poker player", or something to that effect. this is one of those instances where that would come into play.

[Skipbidder]

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What's the official ettiquite in each of these situations.

1. Player at the table isn't good at protecting his cards, if you want, you can look at his hole cards a lot of the time.

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I haven't played in a brick and mortar casino for quite a while, but I have certainly had this happen.

My response has been:
1) Tell them I can see their cards.
2) If it continues, tell them if they keep showing you their cards that you are going to start looking at them.
3) Start looking at their cards.

I think that I've gotten to step 3 twice. It isn't nearly as profitable as you might think.

[beekeeper]

Is it poor sportsmanship to look at the bottom card of a deck if the dealer isn't using a cut card?

[Pov]

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Is it poor sportsmanship to look at the bottom card of a deck if the dealer isn't using a cut card?

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Poor sportsmanship? Probably yes. Illegal? No. If the other players see you doing it they may get mad at you when they really should get mad at the dealer. You're just using available information that you did nothing wrong to obtain. Still, to avoid conflict you may want to just quietly nudge the dealer somehow and let him know he is flashing the bottom card. You don't want anyone else looking at it.

[StevieG]

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My response has been:
1) Tell them I can see their cards.
2) If it continues, tell them if they keep showing you their cards that you are going to start looking at them.
3) Start looking at their cards.


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I just do (1), because if they don't fear you doing (3) then (2) is not going to help.

[Skipbidder]

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My response has been:
1) Tell them I can see their cards.
2) If it continues, tell them if they keep showing you their cards that you are going to start looking at them.
3) Start looking at their cards.


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I just do (1), because if they don't fear you doing (3) then (2) is not going to help.

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2 is basically just more 1.
I feel more comfortable giving them two shots.
I wouldn't think twice about someone who only gave them one warning.
I would be a little bothered by someone who didn't give any warning. (Although it isn't remotely cheating.)

[ricochet420]

1. Perfectly fine, keep looking. Or make prop bets that can tell exactly what he is holding. Did this at mirage for a few bucks once.

2. Perfectly fine, keep looking. Or make prop bets that can tell exactly what he is holding. Did this at mirage for a few bucks once.

[El Cuchara]

Prop bets, could you define??

[Pov]

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Prop bets, could you define??

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Proposition bet. Like, "I'll give you $5 if the river is a spade - you give me $2 if it isn't, deal"? Or in this case, "I'll bet you $20 I can guess your hand".