A third street fold

[Bartholow]

Table is playing semi-loose, very aggro. Would you guys consider playing on with live A kicker?

7 Card Stud High ($20/$40), Ante $2, Bring-In $5 (hand converter (http://www.geocities.com/greenage22/7StudConverter.hta.txt))

3rd Street - (0.80 SB)

Seat 1: xx xx J/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Seat 2: xx xx Q/images/graemlins/club.gif___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 5/images/graemlins/club.gif___folds
Seat 4: xx xx K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___raises
Seat 5: xx xx T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif___folds
Hero: A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif___folds
Seat 7: xx xx 4/images/graemlins/club.gif___brings-in
Seat 8: xx xx K/images/graemlins/spade.gif___completes

[djr]

tricky. With two kings out (and both raising) and the other queen called... I think you did right in folding. If you were closing the action I'd say call, but its likely to get raised again behind you and that would suck.

[BTirish]

Looks like a good fold to me. My understanding is that it's good to play Q-A-Q against K's just if you can get it heads up quickly--but if you are in fact against two players with K's, then this will be a difficult task. Plus, the dead Q takes away an important out.

Is my understanding here correct?

[bholdr]

I have never played 20/40, not by a long shot, but I'd have to fold, too- with that kind of action, you could be drawing very, very thin. I would suspect that at least one ace is out (maybe two or all of them- that's a big show of stranght from three players), you have a dead Q, no suits... the hand looks pretty, but there will be better spots. also, the ante is small, so why bother playing from what you must assume is way behind?

which hand took the pot down, and with what?

[BeerMoney]

I kinda think this is a yucky spot to be in. I look for a reason to fold on 3rd street, and 1 dead queen is enuff.

[bugstud]

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I kinda think this is a yucky spot to be in. I look for a reason to fold on 3rd street, and 1 dead queen is enuff.

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I think the spot is substantially more interesting with a completely live hand

[BeerMoney]

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I think the spot is substantially more interesting with a completely live hand

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Agreed. What's your action if it's live? I still might fold.

[beta1607]

I think this is a good fold. There is a dead Q and your Aces may be partially dead as well. If the Q is live I think I still may fold in this spot unless against manics. If my all my queens are live and has a very live two flush then I think I call and see what developes.

[bugstud]

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I think the spot is substantially more interesting with a completely live hand

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Agreed. What's your action if it's live? I still might fold.

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pretty much what beta says. Depends on the upcard the Q has instead and how dead everyone else's outs are.

[Andy B]

I don't think this is all that close. You are very likely behind in two places and your hand is dead. The Ace kicker is nice, but what you really want to hit is a Queen. Even if it's only one bet and your hand is live, it's still a pretty marginal situation. Especially with this dinky $2 ante, I see no reason to get involved.

[Bartholow]

If you're against two players who both have kings, your equity is actually pretty good, even with the dead queen. Not sure that makes this hand playable though.

[Bartholow]

The guy with the Q up took down the pot with queens up. One of the guys with kings had unimproved kings, other folded. Noone had an ace.

Felt reasonably easy but somewhat interesting.

[SittingBull]

for TIGHT play. There is no reason to play loose with this small ante structure.
SittingBull

[jon_1van]

If you could assume both players had Kings then you should play on only if you are squeezed between the Kings (not cold calling 2). The reason you can call in this spot is that your Ace will be live and you are only calling 1 bet.

But you will never be able to make an assumption this detail from a single completion.

[jon_1van]

I'm hoping you don't suffer from "results oriented thinking". Because if you did you'd be making some pretty ugly game adjustments lately

(considering the 3 recent hands you've posted)

[Roland]

5s Kd Kh 121460 24.29 378058 75.61 482 0.10 0.243
As Qs Qc 222306 44.46 277694 55.54 0 0.00 0.445
Ks Kc Th 155752 31.15 343766 68.75 482 0.10 0.312


If you were somehow very sure both of them have kings and all your card are live you should definitely play (you should even be raising). The problem is that you can never be very sure.
Since one queen was out in this hand anyway, it’s an easy fold, imo. You still have enough equity to continue IF they both have kings, but most of the time, your in bad shape.