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Isura
06-15-2005, 03:01 AM
Button has been open pushing for the last few orbits at every opportunity. Last hand before the blinds go up. Easy call getting 3 to 1 here? I felt I didn't lower my calling standards enough this whole bubble session, and I felt it caused me to be blinded away to 4th.

#Game No : 2209531393
***** Hand History for Game 2209531393 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13108271 Level:8 Blinds(250/500) - Wednesday, June 15, 02:47:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11480 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 5: dawgfan03 ( $1510 )
Seat 6: lando129 ( $3040 )
Seat 8: all_rounder ( $1870 )
Seat 10: JMene ( $1580 )
Trny:13108271 Level:8
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to all_rounder [ Ac 4c ]
JMene folds.
dawgfan03 is all-In [1510]
lando129 folds.
all_rounder folds.
dawgfan03 does not show cards.
dawgfan03 wins 2260 chips
Game #2209533423 starts.

Karak567
06-15-2005, 03:06 AM
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Button has been open pushing for the last few orbits at every opportunity. Last hand before the blinds go up. Easy call getting 3 to 1 here? I felt I didn't lower my calling standards enough this whole bubble session, and I felt it caused me to be blinded away to 4th.

#Game No : 2209531393
***** Hand History for Game 2209531393 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13108271 Level:8 Blinds(250/500) - Wednesday, June 15, 02:47:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11480 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 5: dawgfan03 ( $1510 )
Seat 6: lando129 ( $3040 )
Seat 8: all_rounder ( $1870 )
Seat 10: JMene ( $1580 )
Trny:13108271 Level:8
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to all_rounder [ Ac 4c ]
JMene folds.
dawgfan03 is all-In [1510]
lando129 folds.
all_rounder folds.
dawgfan03 does not show cards.
dawgfan03 wins 2260 chips
Game #2209533423 starts.

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I fold here and SNGPT agrees.

With the pusher set to "loose" it says this is a clear fold.

I set it to maniac just to see... and it still says it is "too close to call."

I think this is a clear fold, especially if you are good at pushing into the blinds 4-handed (which I am assuming you are, since you are here :-) )

psyduck
06-15-2005, 03:35 AM
fold here and push any two next hand

45suited
06-15-2005, 12:50 PM
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Button has been open pushing for the last few orbits at every opportunity. Last hand before the blinds go up. Easy call getting 3 to 1 here? I felt I didn't lower my calling standards enough this whole bubble session, and I felt it caused me to be blinded away to 4th.

#Game No : 2209531393
***** Hand History for Game 2209531393 *****
NL Hold'em $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:13108271 Level:8 Blinds(250/500) - Wednesday, June 15, 02:47:17 EDT 2005
Table Table 11480 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 5: dawgfan03 ( $1510 )
Seat 6: lando129 ( $3040 )
Seat 8: all_rounder ( $1870 )
Seat 10: JMene ( $1580 )
Trny:13108271 Level:8
Blinds(250/500)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to all_rounder [ Ac 4c ]
JMene folds.
dawgfan03 is all-In [1510]
lando129 folds.
all_rounder folds.
dawgfan03 does not show cards.
dawgfan03 wins 2260 chips

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I find this hand very interesting. Button has been open pushing for the last few orbits at every opportunity. Blinds are going up the next hand. So the next hand everyone would rather take a "push any two with no FE" than call here with great odds with the probable better hand?

I'm calling this. I would LOVE to hear some discussion on this hand.

dfoote
06-15-2005, 01:10 PM
If you fold, you're left with 1370 chips. You'll push with any two into the big stack in the BB who will have 2440 chips and be faced with calling 770 to win the pot of 2270.

I'm not happy with A4s, but the alternative doesn't look much better. If you call here and win you end up ITM with 3630 chips. If you get called by BB next hand any win, you're not in the money and have 3040 chips.

This is a tough one.

45suited
06-15-2005, 01:13 PM
Plus, if it's folded to you on the next hand, you're pushing into the BB who has to call with any two.

I would have to call here.

Scuba Chuck
06-15-2005, 01:18 PM
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I fold here and <font color="red"> SGA </font> agrees.

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FYP.

The reason this is a fold is because there is another stack that is your size. The transfer of equity is minimal due to this dynamic. Your current objective is to maintain chipstack position amongst the three. You can do this a number of ways. The most desired way is to push every time you're dealt 2 cards.

Scuba

45suited
06-15-2005, 01:23 PM
Not arguing, just trying to understand. Usually that would be my strategy too, but the blinds go up the next hand. So, you're faced with calling a push any two (which based on the OP is what I would put button on) or pushing a random hand on the next hand when BB is guaranteed to call?

Moreover, there is also the (small) chance that somebody actually picks up a hand on the next hand.

You guys did notice that the blinds go up the next hand, right? Is this even a close decision?

Scuba Chuck
06-15-2005, 01:36 PM
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Moreover, there is also the (small) chance that somebody actually picks up a hand on the next hand.

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You can never fear this. I sometimes go on streaks where I run into AA/KK/QQ/JJ/AK and I'm out. It can be very frustrating. NEVER think/fear this. Every hand has the same odds of hitting those cards. It doesn't matter if somebody's DUE for a hand.

I also disagree that you are sure to be called next hand. Your primary risk next hand is that you don't get to push. This risk is exacerbated by the cost of an additional t200 in chips.

Unarmed, I agree, this is a very difficult scenario.

45suited
06-15-2005, 01:39 PM
I didn't mean I'd fear running into a monster, just the fear that I wouldn't be able to open push. I should've expained that better...

microbet
06-15-2005, 01:44 PM
The pot has 750 in blinds + 1510 = 2260
You need to call 1510 - 500 = 1010

You are getting 2260 to 1010 here, or 2.24 to 1.

It is pretty read dependent. You say he's been open pushing at every opportunity. If that is the case, then I think it is a clear call and SNG Powertools agrees (well, it neither agrees nor disagrees - the issue is the hand range).