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doubleplus

06-15-2005, 02:01 AM

I finally move up, and my second hand ever at 1/2:

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
3 folds, MP1 calls, Hero raises, 3 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB bets, MP1 folds, Hero calls.

River: (10 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12 BB

Results:
SB has Ac Ad (two pair, aces and sixes).
Hero has Qh Qd (two pair, queens and sixes).
Outcome: SB wins 12 BB.

Less than one round later:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
3 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Js (one pair, aces).
MP2 has 7s Ah (two pair, aces and sevens).
Button has Jc Kh (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP2 wins 9.25 BB.

That's a lot of friggin money. That's a bad night's 0.50-1 total loss in less than ten hands. 1/2 players aren't supposed to play A7o like that. Christ. One thing's for sure: that game isn't nearly as different from 0.50-1 as I'd feared.

Eeegah

06-15-2005, 02:05 AM

QQ losing to AA is a bad beat? /images/graemlins/confused.gif

moot

06-15-2005, 02:07 AM

Yup. Didn't you know that?

Anytime you lose to someone else it's a bad beat.

EDIT ==

Does anyone else fold hand 2 preflop? Suppose it depends on the reads.

SteveL91

06-15-2005, 02:10 AM

The only hand that you can even make a case for being a bad beat is the second one. However, if you're going to make a bad-beat post, a least make it a REAL bad beat:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 6h 5h (straight flush, eight high).
Hero has Qc Qs (four of a kind, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 17.25 BB.

lionhorse

06-15-2005, 02:13 AM

HAHAHA.

Hand one is not a bad beat at all - you just happened to run into AA. Same thing happened to me today, it's part of the game.

Hand 2 MP2 is a moron for raising that offsuit ace, make a note and move on.

20BB is not a lot of money.

lionhorse

06-15-2005, 02:14 AM

Given position I'm tipping more toward a call, but if I was in EP or early MP I'd think about throwing it away.

edit: oops, hero is in BB. Call.

lionhorse

06-15-2005, 02:15 AM

[ QUOTE ]
The only hand that you can even make a case for being a bad beat is the second one. However, if you're going to make a bad-beat post, a least make it a REAL bad beat:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 6h 5h (straight flush, eight high).
Hero has Qc Qs (four of a kind, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 17.25 BB. 

[/ QUOTE ]

That's a pretty awesome score on the bad beat-o-meter.

SteveL91

06-15-2005, 02:17 AM

Yea, I'm amazed I didn't break anything after I saw the results. The funniest part is the very next day, I cracked someone's full house with a straight flush. What hole cards did I have? None other than 56s. They weren't /images/graemlins/heart.gif but I still got a kick out of that one.

bottomset

06-15-2005, 02:40 AM

[ QUOTE ]
The only hand that you can even make a case for being a bad beat is the second one. However, if you're going to make a bad-beat post, a least make it a REAL bad beat:

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG bets, MP2 folds, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (9.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 17.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has 6h 5h (straight flush, eight high).
Hero has Qc Qs (four of a kind, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins 17.25 BB. 

[/ QUOTE ]

Party's punishment for you not payin the extra .50 in rake for BBJP

OP: why on earth did you lead the flop into a PFR??

SteveL91

06-15-2005, 02:47 AM

I usually play on Empire anyway. Set-up my Party account before I knew about rakeback and stuff.

einbert

06-15-2005, 02:48 AM

I'm pretty sure neither of those hands are bad beats.

Eeegah

06-15-2005, 02:54 AM

[ QUOTE ]
That's a pretty awesome score on the bad beat-o-meter.

[/ QUOTE ]

Are we doing bad beat contests now?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (8.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
MP1 has 5c 2c (flush, queen high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 10.20 BB.

einbert

06-15-2005, 03:02 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That's a pretty awesome score on the bad beat-o-meter.

[/ QUOTE ]

Are we doing bad beat contests now?

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (8.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
MP1 has 5c 2c (flush, queen high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 10.20 BB. 

[/ QUOTE ]

Honestly this isn't really a bad beat either.

In fact the funny thing is this moron didn't even have the brains to raise the river. You would have paid him off too, you know you would have.

SteveL91

06-15-2005, 03:09 AM

Nope. No need for a contest, because having quads cracked by runner, runner straight flush > *. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Seriously, there's no point in focusing on anything you perceive to be a bad beat. You'll get outdrawn every time you sit down and play poker. It's one of those inevitabilities you have to accept. Eventually, however, everything evens out.

bottomset

06-15-2005, 03:22 AM

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
That's a pretty awesome score on the bad beat-o-meter.

[/ QUOTE ]

Are we doing bad beat contests now?

PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
1 fold, Hero raises, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, 3 folds.

Flop: (9.40 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds.

Turn: (6.20 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds.

River: (8.20 BB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 10.20 BB

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ad Ah (one pair, aces).
MP1 has 5c 2c (flush, queen high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 10.20 BB. 

[/ QUOTE ]

you didn't even have a set

come back when you've actually played 10k hands

seriously this one, and the OPs ones aren't even close to bad beats

dozer

06-15-2005, 03:57 AM

quit complaining, you can't win 'em all.
If it makes you feel better, look at the last few time I have gotten pocket kings. I now fear kings when I see them. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img298.echo.cx/img298/6758/kings9ds.jpg

Dave G.

06-15-2005, 05:43 AM

If 20BB ($40) is really "a lot of friggin money" to you, then you don't belong at 1/2. Simple as that. Drop back down to .5/1 until you feel comfortable with losing this much money, because really, this is such a tiny amount of money compared to what some losing sessions will make you cop. If you can't handle even this, then you need to get out.

As others have pointed out, these aren't even "bad beats". The fact that you got dealt a high pocket pair does not entitle you to win. There are still 3 other streets to play. You're going to need much thicker skin to start moving up in limits if these sorts of hands make you flip out and post.

BlackRain

06-15-2005, 07:08 AM

Those are just more or less tough luck situations. They happen at any limit. Make a note on the A7o guy and pop him next time. I really don't think there is much difference in skill levels between .5/1, 1/2 and 2/4. Play solid poker and you will win.

Duerig

06-15-2005, 07:59 AM

HOLY [censored] [censored]

jrz1972

06-15-2005, 08:49 AM

Hand 1: First, this is not a bad beat. Second, you should cap preflop.

Hand 2: This is not a bad beat since you should have folded preflop and had no business being in the hand in the first place.

You misplayed both hands. Sorry.

DeathDonkey

06-15-2005, 08:53 AM

If you continue to play this poorly you will have many more "bad beats".

-DeathDonkey

tiltaholic

06-15-2005, 09:18 AM

[ QUOTE ]
That's a lot of friggin money. That's a bad night's 0.50-1 total loss in less than ten hands. 1/2 players aren't supposed to play A7o like that. Christ. One thing's for sure: that game isn't nearly as different from 0.50-1 as I'd feared.

[/ QUOTE ]

There are so many things wrong with this.

mvoss

06-15-2005, 09:46 AM

Are you saying it is always wrong to play AJo from the BB against a raise, or in this specific situation. Could you please explain to me why it's wrong to play this hand, as I am not that experienced and base my preflop play mostly on the SSHE hand charts.

doubleplus

06-15-2005, 01:16 PM

[ QUOTE ]
Are you saying it is always wrong to play AJo from the BB against a raise, or in this specific situation. Could you please explain to me why it's wrong to play this hand, as I am not that experienced and base my preflop play mostly on the SSHE hand charts.

[/ QUOTE ]

No. Calling was correct. He just needed to set up the "You misplayed both hands. Sorry." line.

doubleplus

06-15-2005, 01:17 PM

[ QUOTE ]
If 20BB ($40) is really "a lot of friggin money" to you, then you don't belong at 1/2. Simple as that. Drop back down to .5/1 until you feel comfortable with losing this much money, because really, this is such a tiny amount of money compared to what some losing sessions will make you cop. If you can't handle even this, then you need to get out.

As others have pointed out, these aren't even "bad beats". The fact that you got dealt a high pocket pair does not entitle you to win. There are still 3 other streets to play. You're going to need much thicker skin to start moving up in limits if these sorts of hands make you flip out and post.

[/ QUOTE ]

What is the deal with you people? Do you all only reply to posts when you see an opportunity to tee off on someone? I see this over and over again on these forums. When I had real questions a few months ago, I'd be lucky to get 3 or 4 responses.

The loss of money wasn't devastating or anything - I was just reacting to the shock of losing what until yesterday was 40BB. I'm sure it's a common enough phenomenon when moving up in limits, and there's no reason you should be a jerk about it. There are 50 other posts to read just the same as there are 3 more streets to play. I let you know beforehand there was no content, so fold pf and move on to a post where you can give some useful advice.

kiemo

06-15-2005, 05:21 PM

I read the thread title as

Move-Up Bad Beat No Contest Whatsoever

So I thought it was a challenge thread. With that in mind you can imagine how dissapointed I was with your entry to the faux challenge.

Now losing flopped quads to runner-runner straight flush - that wins the faux contest.

And GT123, your last 10 KK look like my last 10 AA. Doesnt it suck when you see one of these hands and cringe!

And honestly doubleplus, you should understand that posters here frown upon 'Woah is me, whine, I lost money, whine' becuase they are pointless other then to let the poster vent a little bit or get some attention.

I feel your frustration with the new stakes, I have been there. You have 2 simple options. 1. Have faith in your game, learn and adjust, ignore dollar value and continue playing at 1/2 and probably become a long term winner. 2. Drop back down until you are comfortable playing for higher stakes and/or are ready to adjust your game to beat the new level.

I myself dropped down. I started off bad at 1/2 and while I have a bankroll of 4k BB for 1/2, I still wasnt comfortable losing $50+ in a night, a personality quirk of mine. Its up to you to decide what you can/cant handle, meanwhile the games are there for you at either level.

AlmightyJay

06-15-2005, 05:23 PM

Hand 1: Cap preflop.

Hand 2: Fold preflop. Failing that, 3-bet this flop.