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jcm4ccc
06-14-2005, 11:12 PM
PP $50 + $5. Villian has not been bullying with his big stack

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t1730)
Button (t5160)
SB (t1670)
Hero (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">

Myst
06-14-2005, 11:48 PM
I definitely wouldnt push. This reeks of a strong hand.

jgunnip
06-15-2005, 12:03 AM
I'm pretty sure folding would be quite horrible here.

jcm4ccc
06-15-2005, 12:06 AM
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I'm pretty sure folding would be quite horrible here.

[/ QUOTE ] yep, considering he didn't raise and I'm in the BB.

curtains
06-15-2005, 12:17 AM
I would lean towards checking and just playing the hand normally. If the flop seems like one that's a great bluffing oppurtunity then okay, I just don't think your folding equity is so great here preflop.

pokerlaw
06-15-2005, 12:20 AM
I would check. see how good the flop is.

jcm4ccc
06-15-2005, 12:22 AM
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I would lean towards checking and just playing the hand normally.

[/ QUOTE ] Sorry that I didn't include that as an option. Don't know what I was thinking.

Scuba Chuck
06-15-2005, 01:57 AM
Hey, jcm, can I just check instead? I don't like any of your options.

Ryendal
06-15-2005, 02:51 AM
isn't it an obvious sit and go ?

Bigwig
06-15-2005, 02:53 AM
I agree with my poker idol, Curtains.

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DasLeben
06-15-2005, 02:53 AM
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isn't it an obvious sit and go ?

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Well yes, actually, that's exactly what it is. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

jcm4ccc
06-15-2005, 05:59 AM
Here is what I did. Whether it matters or not is another question.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t400 (4 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t1730)
Button (t5160)
SB (t1670)
Hero (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls t400, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1440 (All-In)</font>, Button folds.

Final Pot: t2040

J-Lo
06-15-2005, 01:01 PM
that's what i've been noticing at the $55's. Big medium and small stack DO NOT know how to play their stack.

I had 65 chips left after losing a coinflip at lvl 6 on the bubble. NO ONE was pushing. They were all waiting. There was a 6k stack and he would limp in alot. There were limpers all over the place. The person w/ 1500 chips would limp in utg!!! I survived a couple allins... got up to 400 chips, but never got ITM. I am very dumbfounded when i see big stack just sit there... IN THE $55'S.

jcm4ccc
06-15-2005, 01:11 PM
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that's what i've been noticing at the $55's. Big medium and small stack DO NOT know how to play their stack.

I had 65 chips left after losing a coinflip at lvl 6 on the bubble. NO ONE was pushing. They were all waiting. There was a 6k stack and he would limp in alot. There were limpers all over the place. The person w/ 1500 chips would limp in utg!!! I survived a couple allins... got up to 400 chips, but never got ITM. I am very dumbfounded when i see big stack just sit there... IN THE $55'S.

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Makes you wonder why you waited so long to move up, doesn't it?

curtains
06-15-2005, 01:43 PM
[ QUOTE ]
that's what i've been noticing at the $55's. Big medium and small stack DO NOT know how to play their stack.

I had 65 chips left after losing a coinflip at lvl 6 on the bubble. NO ONE was pushing. They were all waiting. There was a 6k stack and he would limp in alot. There were limpers all over the place. The person w/ 1500 chips would limp in utg!!! I survived a couple allins... got up to 400 chips, but never got ITM. I am very dumbfounded when i see big stack just sit there... IN THE $55'S.

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lol you can't believe that they don't play perfectly at the 55s??

microbet
06-15-2005, 01:51 PM
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lol you can't believe that they don't play perfectly at the 55s??

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When you are in the $11s or $22s without a huge bankroll it is a matter of self-preservation to believe the $55s are really tough.

I know they aren't that bad, but the $109s are REALLY killer.

curtains
06-15-2005, 01:52 PM
The 109s are much tougher than 55s but well over 50% of players don't understand basic sit and go concepts

beeyjay
06-15-2005, 01:53 PM
ya thats basically my question

jcm4ccc
06-15-2005, 02:03 PM
I don't exactly recall, but I'm pretty certain that this was not the first time he limped.

Dr_Jeckyl_00
06-15-2005, 02:15 PM
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The 109s are much tougher than 55s but well over 50% of players don't understand basic sit and go concepts

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are you saying that concepts such as Aleomagus' spreadsheet, correct bubbleplay (pushing w/ anything if no strength has been shown), stop and go, and overall tight play levels 1-3, looser levels 4+ (and good hands with good position... if you are experienced enough to get away from hand)... that these concepts basically can make you a winning player up to $55's (if you have the bankroll to handles the variances)

would you say it is better to start multi-tabling a level you can beat or move up to the next level?

Blarg
06-15-2005, 08:34 PM
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I definitely wouldnt push. This reeks of a strong hand.

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I'm sure it's different at 50's, but it doesn't reek of a strong hand at the 10's. Lots of guys with monster stacks play every hand, especially every amall blind, and not always by raising; sometimes they just auto-complete. They could be doing it with almost any hand at all.

Of course, the possibility of a trap always exists.

Since two out of the other three players have stacks no better than mine and they're about to pay some blinds, I think I'd rather just check and see if I can steal from the button in a couple hands, or else watch someone bust out in a hand or two, or both.

There are too many times when a monster stack like this will either call with crap and still wipe you out or have you beaten already, too. All in all, I'd rather see if I can apply some fold equity elsewhere in a minute or two, where I might actually have some.

Blarg
06-15-2005, 08:42 PM
Doh, my bad, I read it wrong. He's not in the SB, he's on the button.

Well, I still feel substantially the same. I'd play it normally against most guys by far and see what the flop brought.

I think if I was the big stack I wouldn't be limping; I'd raise or not play.