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durron597

06-14-2005, 11:02 PM

Stars $5.50 (Moving back down for bankroll reasons after a terrible run of cards). Second hand. Is this river worth a raise?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1480)
UTG (t1650)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1400)
MP2 (t1500)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t20, 2 folds, Hero calls t20, 1 fold, Button calls t20, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t100) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets t20, UTG+1 raises to t40, Hero calls t40, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t20.

Turn: (t220) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 bets t60, Hero raises to t220, BB folds, UTG+1 calls t160.

River: (t660) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t200, Hero calls t200.

Final Pot: t1060

Freudian

06-14-2005, 11:06 PM

I would just call here. Such a scary board when that 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif hits that I would hate a re-raise on the river.

DarrenX

06-14-2005, 11:14 PM

I would say his river bet is either a blocking bet or a value bet; In either case I don't see him calling a raise unless you're beat. Just my humble newbie-like opinion...

11t

06-14-2005, 11:16 PM

Firstly, I think the calling with q9s in mp3 is pretty fishy.

No, I do not "value" raise the river since both the flush and boat draw hit.

durron597

06-14-2005, 11:18 PM

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In either case I don't see him calling a raise unless you're beat.

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DarrenX

06-14-2005, 11:34 PM

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In either case I don't see him calling a raise unless you're beat.

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Yeah, I know, I know- I read that post earlier... so exactly what hands that are better here are folding? A small flush? Anyone who played for a flush with those odds on the turn certainly isn't.

Then again there's a 75% chance I'm completely missing the inside joke and will continue to get flamed... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

YourFoxyGrandma

06-14-2005, 11:56 PM

wuwei

06-15-2005, 12:00 AM

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Firstly, I think the calling with q9s in mp3 is pretty fishy.

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I have to disagree here. In a 1500 chip SNG, you have plenty of chips to play speculative hands early. The way his opponents played this hand should make it clear why there's value in playing a hand like Q9s in level 1.

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No, I do not "value" raise the river since both the flush and boat draw hit.

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I agree with this wholeheartedly.

durron597

06-15-2005, 12:07 AM

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Then again there's a 75% chance I'm completely missing the inside joke and will continue to get flamed... /images/graemlins/blush.gif

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The post title / preface was a bit of a joke. I meant to post a hand where, in fact, it was incorrect to raise because you only get called if you are beat.

Actually my real river decision is whether to call or fold. I think I'm up against AJ/JT or whatever too often to fold.

He had 8888 - I would have gotten paid off big if a scare card didn't hit /images/graemlins/mad.gif

durron597

06-15-2005, 12:41 AM

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Firstly, I think the calling with q9s in mp3 is pretty fishy.

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20 chips with 75 BB stacks.... meh. I really don't think it matters if I can get away from a naked queen easily.

Scuba Chuck

06-15-2005, 01:49 AM

Durron, if you raise here, who is going to call? Furthermore, you definately want to see a showdown here, so if villain reraises your value raise, that is gonna raise some concerns.

durron597

06-15-2005, 08:34 AM

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Durron, if you raise here, who is going to call? Furthermore, you definately want to see a showdown here, so if villain reraises your value raise, that is gonna raise some concerns.

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