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Sherman12345

06-13-2005, 11:12 PM

No particular reads on any of the opponents, just sat down a few hands ago.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, Button 3-bets, Hero caps, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds, Button calls.

Flop: (22 SB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG raises, UTG+1 folds, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (17 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG calls, Button 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

River: (29 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Final Pot: 33 BB

What do you think? Maybe I should've let it go on the turn?

Webster

06-13-2005, 11:34 PM

Id say someone has an Ace and are praying to
1. cool you off
2. scare you into folding
3. build the pot for their gut shot straight.

I think you did fine by calling on the river.

Button didn't cap on the flop so take away AA (unless he mis played it)

UTG has A rag? and is looking for his straight and maybe a flush

Probebly a set in there somewhere. Messy but there is nothing obvious to make you fold. Just become passive and pray.

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Losfer

06-14-2005, 12:05 AM

I think you're line is fine. On the turn, when the BB wakes up I get a little worried, but there is no way I'm laying this hand down with that board. Maybe that's a leak for me.

imported_The Vibesman

06-14-2005, 12:20 AM

What strange action. Could they both have hit the straight?

I don't think it's a sin to call down w/o reads at Party .5/1, but with a raiser and a three bettor, neither of which bet until the str8 draw fell, well, it's tough to make that turn call. You might be up against low two pair, a str8 or straight draw, low flush draw that someone is scared to raise, but won't let go.

But the pot is big, and if you are up against two pair, you have close to 10 outs (board pairs, not making villian a full house, or a K falls, discounting possible spades), and the draws may not be there already and may not come. If someone has made a set, well, you're drawing to two outs. It's only A-5 and 5-6 that you are drawing dead against. The pot is large. On Party .5/1 I call this every day of the week. Against very tight opponents I may fold.

I'd call one bet on the river, but probably fold to a raise, anywhere. It seems to be there that it is painfully obvious I am beaten, if this board is bet at and raised.

Bodhi

06-14-2005, 01:11 AM

Looks good to me. If you ended up paying off then that's just part of the game.

aK13

06-14-2005, 01:50 AM

Looks ok. The pot is WAY too big to fold on the turn.

Iq75

06-14-2005, 02:38 AM

The action is kind of strange, and it is hard to put villains to hands. Nevertheless you are getting 2:25 on the turn and i think you are good at least for that.

Sherman12345

06-14-2005, 08:29 AM

UTG held 44 for the flopped set.
BB held A 10o for the rivered pair (why he was in this pot, I don't know)
And finally, Button holds A 5o for the turned wheel to win the pot.

The action was definitely confusing. On the flop, I 3-bet it to find out where I stood. The calls behind suggested either a donkish top pair move (A 9), an overpair smaller than mine, or a spade draw. The turn was confusing, as I was having a hard time putting an opponent on 56 or A5 in a capped preflop hand. I thought I was up against two pair or a possible set, although I couldn't see myself folding for this huge pot, so I just screeched to a halt and called down.

Tracer21

06-14-2005, 07:49 PM

You were a pretty big favorite before the flop.

I prefer to play Kings against fewer opponents, but the preflop calls are pretty crazy.

Result

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1031522
pokenum -h 4d 4h - kc kh - ah td - ac 5h
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
4d 4h 183453 16.89 898297 82.72 4258 0.39 0.170
Kc Kh 630176 58.03 451574 41.58 4258 0.39 0.581
Td Ah 166862 15.36 886800 81.66 32346 2.98 0.168
Ac 5h 73171 6.74 980491 90.28 32346 2.98 0.081

This is the flop your looking for, but it looks like someone made a set on you.

However, with all of this crazy action on the turn I might fold.

Looks like you found a nice table full of donkeys, but that probably isnt too hard at the .50/1 Limit Tables at Party.