Why do I win at live games but not online

[Tarzan]

I have several questions so bear with the long post as it is also my first.
My usual game is the 10/20 or 15/30 games at taj, at which I am a long term winner. (This is determined through exact tracking of wins and losses, not merely hopes and dreams)I recently stopped playing live, and started playing on-line, and can not seem to beat the 3/6 game. At live games I was very good at reading hands and players, but on-line I can't put anyone on anything, which may be because they will open or call with anything. I've loosened my play a bit based on what I've seen other players betting and calling with, and so I do not seem to be folding every hand. Granted, my losses amount to one small pot at 10/20, but it still upsets me that I am losing at, based on everyones posts here, practically free money. (It is the losing itself and not the money at all that annoys me). Do I need to move up in order to play with more rational players? What I can do to translate my game from live games to online?

Also what is stud tracker and where do get it, and how do you get records of all the hands I see everyone posting.

Finally, I play on Partypoker, but they never seem to have any stud tournaments. Is there a different site that offers stud tournaments. Any advise will be appreciated.

[bigredlemon]

They have stud SNGs running 24/7, and tournaments every day, on Party. And I wouldn't stay it's free money online. Some people here have said they found the 5/10 here to be a lot tougher than the 50/100s live at casinos.

[jon_1van]

they used to have a daily 10+1 stud tourney at 8pm EST.

It was a pretty decent. Lots of people die really early, so you should be able to beat it over the long haul pretty easily.

As far as beating the 3/6 game goes. Remember that varience is really big. And don't fall into the trap of "I'll loosen up because they loosened up." Remember the ideal way to play vs loose people is very tight. Wait for the goods and then pound pound pound.

[BeerMoney]

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What I can do to translate my game from live games to online?



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The best advice I feel I've been given is this : bluff less; call more.

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Also what is stud tracker and where do get it, and how do you get records of all the hands I see everyone posting.


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when you are at the party table, in the right hand corner there are hand #'s to click on.. go ahead and select request hand history, and have it emailed to you.. the one saved on your computer is different than the one emailed to you.. Then copy and paste it into greenage's hand convertor. There are links in the other hands that are posted.

I disagree with jon's advice about playing tight. As the players get worse, and play too many hands, you too can get away with playing some more hands.

BeerFish.

[Lawnboy]

I have felt the same way at several points in playing online stud. Getting big two pairs and trips shot down with gut-shot draws and what not is par for the course at the Party 3/6. Remember, the variance of online 3/6 is much, much higher than real world. But this game definitely can be beat.

How many hands have you played? If it isn't >20,000 your results are not statistically significant.

A few suggestions :
1) You have to remember to play the players as well as the cards. This is easy to forget online. Pay attention, take notes. You'll usually find at any 3/6 table 1 or 2 players that are on your level and you can read just like 15/30 and 1 or 2 nutjobs that just call, call, call. Know who you're up against in any given hand and change your play accordingly. Try to isolate the weak players.

2) When the game is too loose or too tight, the general rule of thumb is to loosen up a little. You're tight game can work fine though, just so you're getting callers. But with Party 3/6 what you'll find is lots of callers. Remember that big pairs go down in value with lots of callers and draw hands go up. Pay attention to other outs with your big pairs, these multi-out hands tend to play well in this game.

3) Analyze your game. In the real world there's no way to run back a hand, online it's simple. Keep a notepad and on hands you lose or question, jot down the hand #. Then after your session have those hands emailed to you. Or just browse the hand historys in the folder and get interesting hands emailed to you. Often it seems like every loss is a bad-beat when you think about a session, but when checked closer there are always holes to plug.

4) Get Rakeback. The 3/6 rake is rough to overcome for many players. If you multi-table a fairly tight game, rakeback is needed and can add ~$3/hour/table to your take.

5) Don't let the video game disconnect you from reality. When I play real world, I spend the last 15 minutes of my drive getting mentally ready to play. When I play real world, I don't let myself tilt. These things are much harder to do playing by yourself and staring at a screen.

Studtracker is OK(google it for URL), but it still has some bugs and will only analyze your game, not your opponents like PokerTracker.

---Lawnboy

[hurlyburly]

I wouldn't start out at 3/6 until you got some confidence with your reading skills at 1/2 (regardless of bankroll). As far as I know, most online studders are younger and more aggressive, with many of the fishy types primarily holdem players trying a new game. If your rolled then go where you are comfortable once your reads adjust.

You might also try Pokerstars, they have a great ante structure. The pots can still get crazy, but it'll give you more observation time.