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theBruiser500
06-13-2005, 06:29 PM
I think preflop this is supposed to be a fold normally but MP3's play justified this raise. No read on SB. The fact that no one does anything on the turn makes me think they don't have flush, set, nothing like that. Raise the river?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, MP3 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls, MP3 calls.

River: (10 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>
Robb
06-13-2005, 06:39 PM
Bets on the river from out of nowhere into 2 players generally aren't hands like A8, J10. No idea what SB has but it's usually 2 pair or better.

Given that, I don't raise and fold to a 3 bet. The raise itself doesn't seem to be +EV in my experience, let alone the possibility of being 3 bet. I just call the river bet. Heck with some players you could fold that river for the one bet.

MP3's call is interesting, probably doesn't have you beat but he might. MP3 might be afraid of the straight/flush from SB.

Also- regarding the preflop play, I almost always 3 bet there.
MrTeddyKGB
06-13-2005, 06:41 PM
ok i give up... if sb missed and is making a desperation bluff then he probably wont call. If he calls you are probably beat as he would most likely check and call with a worse ace. This looks like he sb is scared to let it get checked around. I take the cheep showdown and make a note about his weak river lead and I get to see MP players hand. I am sure I am missing something are you going to call a re-raise, I think not.
moomoocow
06-13-2005, 06:46 PM
I think you're ahead, but I don't like the raise - who's calling you that you beat? JT? (any-10?)would likely not bet the river - and if they do, they may not call the raise.

A sooted 8-9 maybe? but that's a loose call on SB preflop. And you're getting popped right back.

Could also be a busted K heart draw getting frisky (in which case raising does nothing good). Also a pretty ballsy bet into 2 other players.

I'm jsut pretending MP3 has junk given your commentary.

Just some thoughts,

Moo!
helpmeout
06-13-2005, 06:48 PM
I dont see what good raising here is. You do see that the 89 straight just got home.
theBruiser500
06-13-2005, 06:54 PM
it felt like his most likley hand was one a pair of aces that was afraid it would get checked around
esspo
06-13-2005, 06:59 PM
I really don't like the river raise. SB's gay bet is just too friggin wierd. If SB is a known uber donk, then maybe the raise is OK because you are almost certainly ahead of MP3. You don't know anything about SB, so you can't really judge with confidence whether its some sort of desperation move or its an "omg I just sucked out on these guys" bet.

On a side note. Your default play is to fold AQo in that spot? That's a standard 3-bet for me and its not close. I need a reason not to three-bet.
Blackjack
06-14-2005, 12:27 AM
The T has got to have made his 2 pair.

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theBruiser500
06-14-2005, 11:30 AM
k you guys are right he had AT
Arnett23
06-14-2005, 01:02 PM
Would standard play for the SB be to check-raise the turn and lead on the river to get the hero off his what seems like a strong ace or a overpair?
legend42
06-14-2005, 02:03 PM
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it felt like his most likley hand was one a pair of aces that was afraid it would get checked around

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That's not a good feeling to have here. Very few players at this game make that type of bet into more than one opponent. The times that you successfully make a thin value raise are crushed by the many many times you're behind.
Kurwood Derby
06-14-2005, 04:09 PM
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<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

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