Rakes and Tokes and Jackpot Drops, Oh my......

[Dentist]

I've been playing with my Turbo Texas Hold 'em game a lot recently and have come upon some very disappointing results:

I set the condition to mirror my B&M:
6-12 Texas Hold 'em (fairly tough game)
$4 rake up to 10%, with a $1 Jackpot drop and I usually tip $0.50 per hand that I win.

I also play a fair amount of 3-6 (less tough, more draw-outs)

Anyway, only 500 hands in the 6-12 game(about 20 hours of real-time play) every person save 1 was down and down fairly hard. Granted the one guy was up about $400 (not me), but this is quite disturbing.


Am I finally finding out what everyone already knows?? That this rake structure I have make these games nearly unbeatable in the long term unless some lousy players are in the game?

Or am I overreacting to a game "simulation"?

After these 20 hours, the casino had about $1500, which means that even the best player at the table was only the second best player....with no one able to out-perform the house.

So I guess another question is - is it better to play 6-12 against a tougher lineup (where I am still one of the better players, but only 3-4 people see the flop) or play the weaker 3-6 game where 6 see the flop, but the rake % hits you even harder?

[Peter]

I think you look at it the wrong way when you say that the rake percentage hits you harder in the looser game.
The pots in the thougher game will be smaller, so let's suppose you never win a pot that exceeds $40. The rake then is 10% for every pot you win. The rake on the total amount of money you won is therefor 10%.
Now suppose all the pots you win in the loose game are always $50. The rake is $4, which is only 8%.
Of course in the though game there will be pots over $40 and in the loose game there will be pots under it. But I think this example shows that the rake actually hits you harder in the though game.
Better win one $50 pot than two $25 pots.

Peter

[Ed Miller]

Part of the problem is that the "good" profiles in TTH aren't really all that good. Games with rakes as you have outlined can be beaten if you play well.

[bernie]

if a 4-8 game with a $3 drop, $1 JP and $1 toke can be beaten, so can a 6-12 with an extra $1 on the drop.

but it is interesting the stat on the drop on TTH. which is why i feel no pain in not tipping if the pot is less than $30, and my main standard is $1 unless it's a very big pot...

obviously you want the weaker game, because youll be winning more overall than a tougher game. your win rate should be higher, hence the rake will have less effect.

b