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Lady Dont Tekno
06-13-2005, 10:03 AM
In the midst of my first downswing at the $22s time to plug some leaks.

Hand 1
Seat 3: HERO (940)
Seat 4: HappyDog55 (1360)
Seat 5: turkagoo (1165)
Seat 6: edhackathorn (885)
Seat 7: bbbb0808 (2355)
Seat 10: Max710 (1295)
HappyDog55 posts small blind (100)
turkagoo posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ 6d, 6c ]
edhackathorn folds.
bbbb0808 folds.
Max710 raises (700) to 700
HERO folds.
HappyDog55 folds.
turkagoo folds.

This is way too tight on my part. Ridiculously easy push right?

Hand 2
Seat 1: TammyRose007 (728)
Seat 4: jhans5915 (1590)
Seat 5: OmahaJohn (420)
Seat 6: D48822 (2352)
Seat 7: str8livin (685)
Seat 9: wild10 (1615)
Seat 10: HERO (610)
OmahaJohn posts small blind (50)
D48822 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Td, As ]
str8livin folds.
wild10 folds.
HERO raises (610) to 610
HERO is all-In.
TammyRose007 calls (610)
jhans5915 folds.
OmahaJohn folds.
D48822 folds.

Too early for a push or ok?

Hand 3 (same tournament from Hand 2 a few hands later)
Seat 1: TammyRose007 (118)
Seat 4: jhans5915 (1590)
Seat 5: OmahaJohn (370)
Seat 6: D48822 (2502)
Seat 7: str8livin (535)
Seat 9: wild10 (1515)
Seat 10: HERO (1370)
wild10 posts small blind (50)
HERO posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Ac, Js ]
TammyRose007 folds.
jhans5915 calls (100)
OmahaJohn folds.
D48822 folds.
str8livin folds.
wild10 raises (550) to 600
HERO folds.
jhans5915 folds.

This is probably a push?


Thanks!

-LDT

45suited
06-13-2005, 10:14 AM
I actually agree with your play in all 3 hands.

I think that the first one was the hardest decision but I would've done the same thing.

Edit: I thought that you folded the 3rd hand... Easy fold for me in that spot..

MrBrightside
06-13-2005, 10:20 AM
well, for what it's worth, I push the first hand. I mean, the blinds are 100/200 and your stack is 940. are you gonna get a better spot? unlikley, you need a double up. chances are very good he's got 2 overs.'

For what it's worth, I just pulled out of adownswing myself at the 20s. Failed to cash 9 in a row, which was my longest streak OOTM.

Lady Dont Tekno
06-13-2005, 10:24 AM
Yeah the first hand is a push I'm pretty sure.

p.s. my downswing left me with 14 OOTM which is also my longest. All those pink blocks on the spreadsheet are disheartening! /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

-LDT

MastiffPaul
06-13-2005, 10:34 AM
I have my reservations about the first two, but I'm pretty sure the third hand should not be a push. Someone has limped ahead of you, and someone raised after the limper. You have to be sure that pushing will A) cause both players to fold (whether because of your table image or b/c of their own tendencies); B) cause one or both of them to call with worse hands (and AJo loses some of its value multiway, yes?); or C) cause you to win the hand against the immediate odds yet ensuring you finish ITM. I'm leaning towards C out of those possibilities because, if you do win it, you'll have the chip lead. A. does not seem plausable, mostly because one player has demonstrated strength by pushing after a player has already entered the pot, and you have to consider the strength of both their hands, not just the raiser. B also seems unlikely because AJo loses some value multiway, and I put the raiser on a pocket pair, I think. With your stack, I think you can afford to wait for a better opportunity than this.

smcannon
06-13-2005, 10:53 AM
With the first one I'm pushing and praying his A doesn't hit. Second one is an easy push. Third one I'm folding.

AliasMrJones
06-13-2005, 11:38 AM
Hand 1 I think can be argued either way. I think this is read-dependent. With 6 players left at this level and the relatively even stack sizes, it looks like these people are fairly tight. The best you're hoping for here is for your opponent to have overcards and coin flip to double up. Without a read and given what appears to be a tight table, I'd probably fold and look to open-push next hand. (FWIW, after typing the above I ran this through the ICM...it says if he'd push any pocket pair, any A, KT+ it's a call, if he's any tighter it's a fold.)

Hand 2 I think is a rediculously easy push.

Hand 3 I think is a clear fold. You're in no immediate danger of busting out, there are 3 stacks that are in trouble, 2 larger stacks have limped and raised and AJ isn't that great a hand.