How much is it possible to make???

[danwan]

I want to know how many BB/100 hands the best players makes at internetpoker. I have played maybe 25.000 hands 15/30 and around 10.000 hands 30/60 at partypoker. My BB/100 hands is 1.9 and I think I´m doing pretty good. How much does the best players make??? Is it possible to make 4-5 BB/100 hands or even higher???

[BoneCollector]

This will depend on how many tables you can play well at once. If you can make 1.9/100 with one table, you might be able to 3+/100 with 2, etc..

[DcifrThs]

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This will depend on how many tables you can play well at once. If you can make 1.9/100 with one table, you might be able to 3+/100 with 2, etc..

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uh. no. just flat out no. it doesn't work that way...in fact, it works the OTHER way.

-Barron

[elindauer]

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This will depend on how many tables you can play well at once. If you can make 1.9/100 with one table, you might be able to 3+/100 with 2, etc..

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uh. no. just flat out no. it doesn't work that way...in fact, it works the OTHER way.

-Barron

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Barron, he's obviously adding the two winrates together. 2 tabling at 1.5 / 100 would be the same money as a 3/100 winner 1-tabling.

-Eric

[koa]

he probably meant hourly rate not hands per 100

[danwan]

11 people have voted that they make 5BB or higher/100 hands at 15/30 or 30/60. How many played hands is the statistic based on??

[einbert]

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11 people have voted that they make 5BB or higher/100 hands at 15/30 or 30/60. How many played hands is the statistic based on??

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[nummerfire]

Do you really believe the numbers in such a poll ?

Kim

[danwan]

I think the poll shows that its not impossible for me to reach 3BB/100 hands.

[BoneCollector]

Sorry folks, my bad, I did mean hourly, not BB/100.

[DcifrThs]

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I think the poll shows that its not impossible for me to reach 3BB/100 hands.

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if you changed the wording on teh poll to read:"for those of you who have played over 100,000 hands at the same limit, be it party 15/30 or 30/60, how many make 3bb/100 or more" you'd get nobody in the 4-5 range...MAYYYYBE 2 people in the 3bb/100 range. quite a few in the 2-3bb/100 range, many many more in the 1-2bb/100 range and most of the density of this distribution would be found in the 0-1bb/100 range.

i've had long discussions with some top players and they all agree that 3bb/100 is a great goal for long term winning but very very very hard to achieve (unless you start including rakeback etc..).

-Barron

[Danielih]

It is possible to win 3BB/100 at 3060. I believe higher winrates are possible but I have no proof.

[danwan]

Thnx Barron. Think my goal from now on will be to reach 3BB/100 hands. Maybe its not possible, but its a great goal for me to aim at.

[shmahappens]

It's based on the fact that no one takes your poll seriously as A) it's anonymous and B) you write like a 12yo on speed

[BarkingMad]

The poll results are polluted by the fact that forum members who haven't played 15/30 or 30/60 cannot view the results of the poll without voting in the poll.

[srolle]

i think the none 15/30, 30/60 people all voted 5+ assuming it wasnt possible, but they sitll wanted to see the results without polluting them. thats what i did.

[imported_piki]

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i think the none 15/30, 30/60 people all voted 5+ assuming it wasnt possible, but they sitll wanted to see the results without polluting them. thats what i did.

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What he said.

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[lufbradolly]

sorry but i misread i thought it was what people thought was a possible winrate and i put 3 but i dont play these limits so discount my vote.

[Nightwish]

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Thnx Barron. Think my goal from now on will be to reach 3BB/100 hands. Maybe its not possible, but its a great goal for me to aim at.

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I think 3 BB/100 in the old Party 15/30 was a realistic (though incredibly ambitious) goal. I suspect that 2.5 BB/100 might serve the same purpose in the new Party 30/60. That game is tough.

[Nightwish]

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It is possible to win 3BB/100 at 3060. I believe higher winrates are possible but I have no proof.

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How many hands have you played?

[DcifrThs]

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It is possible to win 3BB/100 at 3060. I believe higher winrates are possible but I have no proof.

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How many hands have you played?

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uh, you're picking the wrong person if you're looking to impeach somebody's poker knowledge.

-Barron

[Nightwish]

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It is possible to win 3BB/100 at 3060. I believe higher winrates are possible but I have no proof.

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How many hands have you played?

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uh, you're picking the wrong person if you're looking to impeach somebody's poker knowledge.


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Relax. My question should be taken at face value.

[DcifrThs]

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It is possible to win 3BB/100 at 3060. I believe higher winrates are possible but I have no proof.

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How many hands have you played?

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uh, you're picking the wrong person if you're looking to impeach somebody's poker knowledge.


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Relax. My question should be taken at face value.

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sorry, thought you were tryin to infer something else. danny hasa played a ton of hands.

-Barron

[Dazarath]

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i think the none 15/30, 30/60 people all voted 5+ assuming it wasnt possible, but they sitll wanted to see the results without polluting them. thats what i did.

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Ditto. I figured that since the number was so outrageous, I could view the results this way and not screw up the real votes.

[theBruiser500]

the players with the best winrates often make mistakes, and don't play optimally. everyone tilts, good players good winrates includes tilt, and sometimes a lot of it. imo, it's possible to make a huge winrate per hour, more than everyone thinks is possible.

[Nigel]

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the players with the best winrates often make mistakes, and don't play optimally. everyone tilts, good players good winrates includes tilt, and sometimes a lot of it. imo, it's possible to make a huge winrate per hour, more than everyone thinks is possible.

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I don't think you can obtain a very high winrate in limit with either. Lots of mistakes, or tilt. Both crush what little edge you have in a tough game. The opportunities to gain BB's are just not that plentiful per 100 hands.

It sounds like you are thinking of this more from a NL mentality where I would imagine WR's can fluctuate wildly.

Nigel

[James282]

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the players with the best winrates often make mistakes, and don't play optimally. everyone tilts, good players good winrates includes tilt, and sometimes a lot of it. imo, it's possible to make a huge winrate per hour, more than everyone thinks is possible.

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It's probably more like the people who have the highest win rates are good players who ran the best. I'm sure this is true among the top players whom I have personal interaction with - and I am sure that my winrate in the Party 15 game was inflated by running incredibly hot. Few people have enough hands to really know what their winrate is, and yet everyone loves to speculate on what is possible. The correct answer is:

Who gives a [censored]!

-James

[DavidC]

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This will depend on how many tables you can play well at once. If you can make 1.9/100 with one table, you might be able to 3+/100 with 2, etc..

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big bets per hundred minutes?

welcome to the forums... this won't be your last mistake.

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[DavidC]

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i think the none 15/30, 30/60 people all voted 5+ assuming it wasnt possible, but they sitll wanted to see the results without polluting them. thats what i did.

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What he said.

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That's what I'll do next time. Sorry. I voted 2.5 and I really have no idea.

--Dave.

[Fortitude]

100k is still not enough.

After 100k hands you can be 95% confident that your true win rate is within 1 BB of your current 'win rate'. That is, if you are at 2 BB / 100, you could actually be a 3 BB / 100, and you have an equal chance of being a 1 BB / 100 winner. As James pointed out the player's with the highest win rates are the good players who are also running good.

These types of posts are pretty ridiculous as people will rarely be telling the truth and even when they do the amount of hands their win rate is based upon is not nearly enough.

As James said, short answer, who [censored] cares.

[Danielih]

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It is possible to win 3BB/100 at 3060. I believe higher winrates are possible but I have no proof.


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uh, you're picking the wrong person if you're looking to impeach somebody's poker knowledge.



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Relax. My question should be taken at face value.


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Ok real quick. I do not care for this poll. I replied because if anyone does care then I am simply trying to contribute. Really, I believe higher than 3bb/100 is possible. It may never be done but I believe certain players concentrating on the game could make more than 3bb/100. All those experts out there who make 2 or 2.5 well I am not saying it is easy I am saying it is possible to make more than 3bb/100

Also myself and the other people included in my statistics do not play the 3060 regularly and have not played it since the WSOP started.


Around the time party opened up the 3060 games (a little more than a month?) myself and some friends decided to four table the 3060s for a while, see how the games were, try out some new strategies, see how much we could make, etc.

We each played, on our own, at different times, and with different styles. With just over 110k hands combined we have a win rate of 3.2bb/100. That right there is a statement of fact. Now statistically speaking I understand that 110k hands isnt enough to be accurate. But what it does is tell me that a WCP could certainly make 3bb/100 or more in these games. Some of the reasons I believe this are

1. None of us used Playerview or gametime or anything like that and we only used pokertracker to track our winrates.

2. Everybody seemed to be improving their game considerably and by the time we stopped playing I thought we were all earning more than when we started. (This is based on theoretical earn, not that I ran good my last 5k hands)

3. This is something that is very hard to evaluate so again it is my own personal and probably unintentionally biased opinion but I do not think anyone got particularly lucky.

This leads me to believe that 3bb/100 is reasonable and a slightly higher earn is doable by a WCP who focuses on the game.