Thay333
06-13-2005, 12:04 AM
So here's the idea:
Two people with equal stacks (say, for example, $100 each) go all in.
Knowing the temperament of these players, you believe them to both have AK. (I'm not going to consider the suited or unsuited situations, for which I don't have numbers, but I believe this idea still holds.)
I will submit that, assuming both players have AK, it is CORRECT to call with any two cards that aren't A and K, such as 2 7 off suit.
Now this may sound ludicrous, and that's why I'm writing to this forum.
I'm reading Dan Harrington's book, which states that two higher cards (like AK) vs. two lower cards (like 2,7) is about a 5-3 favorite.
Therefore, the pot now has $200, and you have to call $100. You are a 5-3 underdog, but the pot is giving you 2-1, or 6-3 pay off. Not even to mention that AK is now even LESS of a favorite, because it has a decreased chance of pairing up. (To quote Dan Harrington: This statistic always surprises beginners, who when they see ace-king against something like eight-six imagine that the ace-king must be a huge favorite. But whoever makes a pair mostly wins, and the edge for the ace-king just comes when no one makes a pair or both make a pair.)
So that's it. Therefore, I conclude that if two people with AK go ALL-IN with equal stacks, you are CORRECT to call with any two cards that are not ace or king.
Comments?
-Y
[Note: I realize odds are given in a heads up situation, and change for 3 or more in a pot, but because the other two players hold the same cards, the odds will not be the SAME as heads up, but even slightly LESS favorable for AK.
Also, I realize the odds are not exactly 5-3, and that I haven't treated suitedness, which would change if they share the same suits and such. I think these things alter the 5-3 not significantly enough to change favoritism from 5-3 to 6-3. Therefore, 2 7 is still getting enough pot odds to call.]
Two people with equal stacks (say, for example, $100 each) go all in.
Knowing the temperament of these players, you believe them to both have AK. (I'm not going to consider the suited or unsuited situations, for which I don't have numbers, but I believe this idea still holds.)
I will submit that, assuming both players have AK, it is CORRECT to call with any two cards that aren't A and K, such as 2 7 off suit.
Now this may sound ludicrous, and that's why I'm writing to this forum.
I'm reading Dan Harrington's book, which states that two higher cards (like AK) vs. two lower cards (like 2,7) is about a 5-3 favorite.
Therefore, the pot now has $200, and you have to call $100. You are a 5-3 underdog, but the pot is giving you 2-1, or 6-3 pay off. Not even to mention that AK is now even LESS of a favorite, because it has a decreased chance of pairing up. (To quote Dan Harrington: This statistic always surprises beginners, who when they see ace-king against something like eight-six imagine that the ace-king must be a huge favorite. But whoever makes a pair mostly wins, and the edge for the ace-king just comes when no one makes a pair or both make a pair.)
So that's it. Therefore, I conclude that if two people with AK go ALL-IN with equal stacks, you are CORRECT to call with any two cards that are not ace or king.
Comments?
-Y
[Note: I realize odds are given in a heads up situation, and change for 3 or more in a pot, but because the other two players hold the same cards, the odds will not be the SAME as heads up, but even slightly LESS favorable for AK.
Also, I realize the odds are not exactly 5-3, and that I haven't treated suitedness, which would change if they share the same suits and such. I think these things alter the 5-3 not significantly enough to change favoritism from 5-3 to 6-3. Therefore, 2 7 is still getting enough pot odds to call.]